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Old 10-07-2010, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
The thread you linked to HB certainly sustains the line of confusion.

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And the rope - the left arm pulling - carries linear force and centripetal force for hitters and swingers.
I think I see your main point. I also think it is well covered by HK. as "LAG". and by YODA. "Drag That Wet Mop" and by many a pro who will tell you they "hit real hard through impact". The club rotates about the hands, after trigger, and the hands clamp the shaft (in a perfect pinned joint if possible) providing centripital force BUT the hands have an on plane speed which takes effort to maintain. That effort is key.

Thats my interpretation of your interpretation of HK interpretation of Newtons interpretation. (Chain reaction producing great speed.)

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Old 10-07-2010, 07:29 PM
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:50 PM
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Trying to think of an every day way to explain.
The Hurricane- a weather forcaster will always tell U that the winds on the right side of a moving hurricane are more dangerous because they are additive. The hurricane is spinning counter-clockwise with the wind speed constant relative to a center- the centripital force part so to say. BUT if the center- the eye of the hurricane (Golfers hands)-is moving in a linear direction (like the plane line)- the wind on the right side (club head) is moving at the constant velocity PLUS the speed of the eye hands. BUT since the energy of the hands was "sucked out" when the linear downstroke became circular more energy must be put in to keep the system moving forward LAG- "drag that mop" or - just quit with your hands and hang on and let the club coast around- most people do it that way- it can be made to look pretty good and you can now use all that energy to try and move the curved part faster- and you dont need much of a pivot because that moves the system- just flip it out there at the ball, and hang on.
I was trying for a little humor in the last lines-not funny but I try hard.

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You guys down under-because your cyclones go the other way- "just transpose like the E-flat trumpet player" unless you are also a lefty.
Which reminds me- I/we have neglected coriolis effect- Go ahead I dare you!!

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Old 10-09-2010, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
Trying to think of an every day way to explain.
The Hurricane- a weather forcaster will always tell U that the winds on the right side of a moving hurricane are more dangerous because they are additive. The hurricane is spinning counter-clockwise with the wind speed constant relative to a center- the centripital force part so to say. BUT if the center- the eye of the hurricane (Golfers hands)-is moving in a linear direction (like the plane line)- the wind on the right side (club head) is moving at the constant velocity PLUS the speed of the eye hands. BUT since the energy of the hands was "sucked out" when the linear downstroke became circular more energy must be put in to keep the system moving forward LAG- "drag that mop" or - just quit with your hands and hang on and let the club coast around- most people do it that way- it can be made to look pretty good and you can now use all that energy to try and move the curved part faster- and you dont need much of a pivot because that moves the system- just flip it out there at the ball, and hang on.
I was trying for a little humor in the last lines-not funny but I try hard.

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You guys down under-because your cyclones go the other way- "just transpose like the E-flat trumpet player" unless you are also a lefty.
Which reminds me- I/we have neglected coriolis effect- Go ahead I dare you!!

Only with City's help can we get from this post to line dancing in four easy posts. This might be some sort of record.

Daryl, if you're going to take up line dancing you'd better get outa those yoga stretch tights.......please.
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Old 10-09-2010, 04:30 PM
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Only with City's help can we get from this post to line dancing in four easy posts. This might be some sort of record.

Daryl, if you're going to take up line dancing you'd better get outa those yoga stretch tights.......please.
What should I wear then? A cowboy hat and boots? This is why I don't line dance, frequent red neck bars or watch Nascar.

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Old 10-10-2010, 02:20 PM
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Ok, back to really important stuff.
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What should I wear then? A cowboy hat and boots? This is why I don't line dance, frequent red neck bars or watch Nascar.

I went to a bachelor party in Atlantic city, last night, and it could not be avoided. It did give me time to think, while driving home, about Monitoring the FLW, whether swinging or hitting, on every shot!

By "putting my mind in my hands," I get to preview what the club face and therefore ball will do. No surprises. If I extend both arms straight in front of me at eye level and bend my right elbow to clap I can repeat the motion endlessly. (I can feel a conflation of threads coming on.)

So that is Drive loading, friend of hitters, switters and everyone else that punches the ball around the course.

Another benefit of drive loading is that with shorter clubs, you have the simplest golf swing amounting to a "point and shoot" mechanism with the club designed to clack into the ball and produce the beautiful ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ sound.

But with longer clubs, the line becomes blurred:

(OB quote from above)
Or you can separate them sequentially in your Downswing, which is what I do.....Drag then Drive . A Right Shoulder Throw (slow and easy one) which tends to Delay Release, followed by a Right Arm Throw which induces Release. You can go to End when doing this if you wish. But this isnt 12-1 anymore of course.


Now, the line is blurred for me, not for OB or Daryl or anyone else with mad TGM skills. I interpret this "Right Shoulder Throw" (RST) as a turning sternum or "shoulder up," or"spin the flywheel" move that is normally thought of as a swinging/switter move. But if I have been favored with a moment of lucidity after multiple "Pina Coladas" last night, the RST can be used by the hitter, slowly and deliberately, to aim and shoot as Lynn does in Alignment I.

So, now I want to make another guess about bio-mechanics and the three types of ball-striking (hit, swit, swing (HSS)). RFT/EA turns the back hip enough to set-up a good pass at the ball. Does slow RST turn the front hip by itself enough to enable HSS to happen automatically? Or, doe you still have to yell at your Pivot to "get a move on" prior to RST?

I hope I have partially repaired this fine thread.


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Old 10-10-2010, 02:38 PM
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If you play Golf like you Jack Threads, then although I know we'll start Playing at Cuscowilla, I'm not sure what Golf Course we'll finish on.
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