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Old 10-13-2010, 12:26 AM
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. . . where in this parallel line arrangement is the direction of the club head taken into account at impact? Surely, because the club head is still moving downward, outward and forward from impact to low point that the club path at impact is right of the impact plane line and the low point plane line.

If the face was square to the target at impact and the path is right of the target at impact, won't this ball draw?

If not, why not?
For Horizontal Hinge Action (Ideal Compression), the Clubface is Open at Impact and Square only at Separation (1-L #17).

And, using approximate 'clock' terms, the Center of the Ball is at 7:00 at Impact and at 6:00 -- and precisely On Line -- at
Separation.

Study 2-C-1 (Linear Force -- The Ideal Application) and Sketches 2-C-1 #1, #2A & B and #3.

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Old 10-13-2010, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
For Horizontal Hinge Action (Ideal Compression), the Clubface is Open at Impact and Square only at Separation (1-L #17).

And, using approximate 'clock' terms, the Center of the Ball is at 7:00 at Impact and at 6:00 -- and precisely On Line -- at
Separation.

Study 2-C-1 (Linear Force -- The Ideal Application) and Sketches 2-C-1 #1, #2A & B and #3.

Thank you again.

I need to work on my terminology. All of those impacts should have said separation.

Now that I have looked at 2-C-1 #1, #2, #2b and #3 in more detail, it is more clear than ever that the striker is moving to the right. One would certainly have to point this to the left to create a straight shot if hit before low point.

It looks like HK was pretty darn close to describing the D-plane in pictures.

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Old 10-13-2010, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by nevercrosses View Post
Thank you again.

I need to work on my terminology. All of those impacts should have said separation.

Now that I have looked at 2-C-1 #1, #2, #2b and #3 in more detail, it is more clear than ever that the striker is moving to the right. One would certainly have to point this to the left to create a straight shot if hit before low point.

It looks like HK was pretty darn close to describing the D-plane in pictures.
It took me a minute to figure things out.

I respect your work, its always well thought out and above else on this wonderful internet.......fair.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
For Horizontal Hinge Action (Ideal Compression), the Clubface is Open at Impact and Square only at Separation (1-L #17).

And, using approximate 'clock' terms, the Center of the Ball is at 7:00 at Impact and at 6:00 -- and precisely On Line -- at
Separation.

Study 2-C-1 (Linear Force -- The Ideal Application) and Sketches 2-C-1 #1, #2A & B and #3.

Let's assume that the face rotation is this much during contact with the ball (which is debateable) and the face at separation is directly at the target line but the clubhead path is still traveling downward, outward and forward at this point.

Face pointing at target at separation, club continues down plane with path to the right even if parallel.

This is not a straight shot unless mishit on the heel causing some gear effect which eliminates draw spin axis.

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:19 PM
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Let's assume that the face rotation is this much during contact with the ball (which is debateable) and the face at separation is directly at the target line but the clubhead path is still traveling downward, outward and forward at this point.

Face pointing at target at separation, club continues down plane with path to the right even if parallel.

This is not a straight shot unless mishit on the heel causing some gear effect which eliminates draw spin axis.

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.
I agree with this....will it be a ball that starts straight and falls a tad left or would the ball start off just right of the target and draw back?
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Old 10-18-2010, 08:29 PM
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I agree with this....will it be a ball that starts straight and falls a tad left or would the ball start off just right of the target and draw back?
I think it would start only slightly left and cross over the target slightly. Still a usable shot for sure. Just not a straight one.
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Old 10-18-2010, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by John Graham View Post

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.
Exactly what point is that? Can I hit a High straight or a Low straight shot?
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Old 10-18-2010, 08:27 PM
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Exactly what point is that? Can I hit a High straight or a Low straight shot?
The point of that is with a solid strike, as I understand it, with the impact plane(chord of the circle pointing at the target) and the straight low plane line(tangent of the circle) being parallel to the target but right of it, a straight shot is not going to happen ever.

If you have the requisite skills, low shots and high shots can be straight for sure.

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Old 10-18-2010, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by John Graham View Post

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.
I asked about what point is more right than others. Where is the Point?
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Old 10-18-2010, 09:05 PM
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I asked about what point is more right than others. Where is the Point?
You can't see it?

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