Adress/Impact Clubshaft angle and plane shift

[innercityteacher]

I dont understand this very well. Does it mean that I must move hands first on elbow plane and then rise them, and still maintain shaft on TSP through all this movement?

I start my swing with rfta from address with shaft on elbow plane and hands in impact fix. Then I can feel (from elbow location when I start rising hands) the change of shaft plane (to steeper TSP plane). When I arrive to the top I already have shaft on TSP. That corresponds to single plane shift. I tried rise hands only without changing shaft plane and change shaft plane on the top, but not with success. I tried TSP plane for shaft from address to the top and back to impact, but with this setup I still cannot supply such power as in elbow to TSP shift.

Can I leave (for my full shots) setup with single plane shift with changed shaft plane or focus on zero shift and try build swing and add power after some time ?

But I cannot follow this and I am sure it is very important!

If I was Ben Hogan, or VJT, wouldn't I come down on the elbow plane?

If I was interested in the simplicity of TSP, could I do my whole full swing that way?

I understand that it would get complicated on a short swing.

If I'm missing the point here, just say so and I'll read this stuff again, but I don't get it.

Maybe I need to keep reading the original threads?

ICT

[KevCarter]

But I cannot follow this and I am sure it is very important!

If I was Ben Hogan, or VJT, wouldn't I come down on the elbow plane?

If I was interested in the simplicity of TSP, could I do my whole full swing that way?

I understand that it would get complicated on a short swing.

If I'm missing the point here, just say so and I'll read this stuff again, but I don't get it.

Maybe I need to keep reading the original threads?

ICT

Hey Patrick,

Don't make it seem complicated, it's really not. Peek at 12-1 Basic Drive loading. Combine that with a quote from Mr. Kelley in 1982, it's not in the book. I call it:

STARTING OVER WITH G.O.L.F.
HOMER KELLEY

"If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad."

• At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3).

• At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm.

• Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

From that foundation, focus on the imperatives and essentials while monitoring the pressure points. Sounds simple, and it works for me. I'm not sure yet if this simplicity can totally work in with my teaching, but I believe anyone can master basic hitting no matter what their physical condition. As players get more advanced, they add Power Accumulators until we get to 4 Barrel Hitting.

Very simple, consistent procedure where we all need to start. Modifications to our strokes can and will be made, but in my mind this is the baseline, 12-1.

I don't care what you do, as long as you know how you do it - SIMPLICITY.

Kevin

[innercityteacher]

Hey Patrick,

Don't make it seem complicated, it's really not. Peek at 12-1 Basic Drive loading. Combine that with a quote from Mr. Kelley in 1982, it's not in the book. I call it:

STARTING OVER WITH G.O.L.F.
HOMER KELLEY



Very simple, consistent procedure where we all need to start. Modifications to our strokes can and will be made, but in my mind this is the baseline, 12-1.



Kevin

Thanks Kevin and Daryl. I am simply fried from work. It's not you! It's me!!!

Anyway, the unified theory of bio-mechanics and geometry is so unified that there are no rabbit trails when building on that foundation! There are just a more complete list of components.

(Did you hear/see Sean Foley on TGC talk about "bio-mechanics, planer geometry, and the ball leaving the face at "about 90 degrees?")

So let me see if I can get some foundation.

This video shows Brian Gay hitting on TSP from start to finish, right?


This next video shows Ben Hogan starting on TSP then moving and staying on BEP (Bent Elbow Plane) through impact?

Does VJ do a double -shift here, TSP, BEP, TSP?

ICT