You have 4 accumulators. With the hitters protocol they 1,2 & 3 are released simultaneously. Perhaps 4 too? With a swingers protocol you have a much more sequenced release.
The sequenced release goes hand in hand with a dual horizontal hinge action where you first bring your hands down low (acc #1 & 4), then bring your clubhead down (Accumulator #2 and then finish the release with a lot of (horizontal) Acc #3 release.
Sweep release versus snap release versus anything inbetween also matters to when you should feel each of the accumulators release.
So what and when you should feel it depends on your desired stroke pattern. It's your choice basically.
You have 4 accumulators. With the hitters protocol they 1,2 & 3 are released simultaneously. Perhaps 4 too? With a swingers protocol you have a much more sequenced release.
The sequenced release goes hand in hand with a dual horizontal hinge action where you first bring your hands down low (acc #1 & 4), then bring your clubhead down (Accumulator #2 and then finish the release with a lot of (horizontal) Acc #3 release.Sweep release versus snap release versus anything inbetween also matters to when you should feel each of the accumulators release.
So what and when you should feel it depends on your desired stroke pattern. It's your choice basically.
Thanks BerntR,
I'll stick with the sequenced release first. One of the things is that commentators continue to talk about LATE release- The Clampett article talks about late release and lables a sequence element release with the hands already down at the pocket and the right arm 3/4 straight.(see the picture labled release) TGM said that the left wrist is cocked and uncocked ( Accumulator #2 release) by the bending right arm and the right arm is part of release and is thrown into impact. That would make release start at the point the right arm starts to straighten. The frame labled release would be the intermediate point of the 2-3 sequence where #3 becomes dominant. If a golfer trys to force the hands deep before release he gets cocking of the right hand. This may look good and as HK said is hard to detect but is throwing the club at the ball. What do you think?? I would like to fix that because I think I(and many others) "TRY and get late release" and that is wrong Per. TGM
TGM said that the left wrist is cocked and uncocked ( Accumulator #2 release) by the bending right arm and the right arm is part of release and is thrown into impact. That would make release start at the point the right arm starts to straighten.
Good observation and I agree with the conclusion but perhaps not with the premises. The premise being the frozen right wrist. Take a look at Bobby's right wrist down there. It is maximally bent and I bet that it isn't level anymore either. If you add wristbend and wrist cock in your right wrist as you straighten the right elbow you can hold accumulator #2 even though you straighten the right elbow. I've studied a few supposed to be TGM snap releases and I always see increase right wrist bend and wrist cock just prior to the accumulator #2 release.
I am quite convinced that snap releasers increase the angle between the shaft and their right forearm from the top down to where the Accumulator#2 starts to release. And you can't do that without increasing the combination of right wrist bend and wrist cock.
So I think that is part of it.
The other part is that you initiate your down stroke with a combination of hula and spine side bending - basically tilting your right shoulder straight down towards right pocket. So you drive the right shoulder deeper and fartner. That allows you to keep your pith elbow longer without cheating.
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The frame labled release would be the intermediate point of the 2-3 sequence where #3 becomes dominant. If a golfer trys to force the hands deep before release he gets cocking of the right hand. This may look good and as HK said is hard to detect but is throwing the club at the ball. What do you think?? I would like to fix that because I think I(and many others) "TRY and get late release" and that is wrong Per. TGM
The Bear
I think you can do the increased right wrist thing without throwing the club. The inertia of the club will do the increase for you if you find a hand path that prevents the clubhead from starting the release before very very late. If you look at Garcia and some other guys with a fast transition (which is typical for swingers) you will also see they put a huge load on the clubshaft during transition. A strong pivot rotation and a clubhead that resists it will increase the angle between the right hand and the club shaft.. Keeping the pressure on the right foot for a long time in the down stroke should keep the pully size small and help to delay the release I think.
This may add to clarity.
Ben Hogan shows a sequenced release that looks exactly as we are thinking TGM would describe a swingers sequenced release.
More "food for thought" as the expression goes. What do you think?
I'm thinking any similarity between Mr Hogan's Sequenced Release to what Homer described is not a coincidence.
Did you ever notice how Homer suggests keeping your Left Hand turned to the plane to delay Release? CF will throw out #2 Angle once the clubhead moves to the outside of the Hands (from a DTL view). So dont let it. It is a way of resisting cf... throwout. With a fully bent right arm even assuming the Right Shoulder is taking the intact Power Package Downplane. Look at how nicely Mr Hogan takes his Right Shoulder through the shot. Its a work of art.
Active right arm extension would push the left wrist off the inclined plane inducing Release ....... Simultaneous Release.
Slo mo down the line Hogan .....nice. Period of Right Shoulder acceleration , then left arm acceleration then clubhead and finally ball acceleration.
Did you ever notice how Homer suggests keeping your Left Hand turned to the plane to delay Release? CF will throw out #2 Angle once the clubhead moves to the outside of the Hands (from a DTL view).
Active right arm extension would push the left wrist off the inclined plane inducing Release ....... Simultaneous Release.
Honestly, I'm lost trying to envision the Throwout from a "DTL view".
Do you see the "pitch" right elbow? It seems to me almost impossible to maintain the RFFW and sequenced release with the #2 uncocking by the right arm straightening without a good pitch right elbow. I am trying o figure it out geometrically if it is even possible to hold alignments without the deep pitched elbow and the smooth shoulder coming down its plane. Is that part of a good release?
Honestly, I'm lost trying to envision the Throwout from a "DTL view".
K, I just reviewed things and I believe you are correct .....the clubhead is subject to CF throwout after the clubhead moves outside the hands from a caddy view. I stand corrected.
Thank you for this.
It seems to me to be very similar to the manner in which a water skier is subject to CF throwout when the boat takes a corner. The skier moves outside the boat and accelerates Radially. Prior to that the skier and the boat are traveling in line and accelerating at the same speed. The tighter the turn made by the boat (the smaller the pulley wheel, Endless Belt Analogy) the more the angular acceleration. So to delay release you have to lengthen the period of Longitudinal Acceleration.
"10-19-C DRAG LOADING
Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the "Swinger", an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as thought it were being drawn from a quiver like a n arrow--feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the out-side and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Point #1 to support the PULL on the Clubshaft ----especially for Short Shot Power. "
By "lengthwise" he means dragging longitudinally, like the skier being pulled straight line by the boat both accelerating at the same speed Release.
So a longitudinal or straight line hand path with the clubhead following straightline will have no associated CF Throwout because there is no CF, no turning motion. But once the Hands, like the speed boat, take the turn ....CF and Throwout of #2.
If Im right about this....this would suggest to me that one of the best ways to delay Release is to try as best as you can to Pull the Hands Straightline from Top and keep your Left Hand flat to the Inclined Plane.
"10-20-E WRIST THROW
Here the Right Hand remains palm-up to the Plane during the Uncocking of the Left WRist to produce a Sequenced Release per 2-G and 4-D-0. Especially compatible with Swinging. See 6-H-0-F.
By deliberately initiating the Wrist Roll at any point before reaching the end of the Delivery Path Line , the Non-Automatic version can be produced. "
"By deliberately initiating the Wrist Roll" meaning the left hand rotates off the plane......the boat is now not pulling the skier lengthwise, CF throwout has been "Triggered".
So the question is how on earth to get your hands to travel Straight Line for ideal Longitudinal Acceleration? Daryl your drawings of the circular Hand Path can maybe help with this. If you were to Startdown from End , 90 degrees of #2 Angle and mark End with a dot on the Hand Path's radius.......then skip down to Bobby Clampetts Release Point and mark it with a dot , then draw a cord from the dot at Top to the dot at his Release point. This cord would show a significant section of the circle bisected. A significant amount of long curved Hand Path. Now contrast this with a dot made at TOP and then a cord dropped from there down to Bobby's Release Point say. Notice how much more of a straight line the Hands are taking. Less curve meaning less CF Throwout. Now what if you added a little common speak "down cocking" into the mix from TOP? That'd delay the point where the clubhead crosses outside of the hands right?
I'd suggest that stopping your Hands at Top is one way a lot of us could improve our Longitudinal , inline Acceleration. The other is to keep the Left Hand Turned to Plane. From there you got options ....auto or non auto.
Personally when I look at Hogan I see a 10-20-C (Right) Shoulder Turn Throw and then a 10-20-E WRIST THROW, combo. But I could be wrong.
Please feel free to rip this apart anyone............Im here to learn.
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