Whether the clubshaft plane angle gets steeper, more shallow or stays the same after impact depends on what you do with your PP's pressure through impact and beyond. I think.
Whether the clubshaft plane angle gets steeper, more shallow or stays the same after impact depends on what you do with your PP's pressure through impact and beyond. I think.
Thanks BerntR
That's "kind-of" why I put "steeper" in quotes. Feel steeper, (Hogan?) works also- This thread may get to that also??
I am pretty sure that in a well executed stroke with a "heavy" right hand on the shaft the right forearm will be on plane whether you're swinging on TSP, EP or something inbetween.
Look at Jim Furyk and Moe Norman. They are probably as far apart plane wise through impact as you get. Yet, both have the RF on plane through impact. The difference will be how close to your right hip the elbow goes.
There are a few good golfers who has the right forearm slightly under plane through impact. I attribute that to a "late hit" timing.
I am pretty sure that in a well executed stroke with a "heavy" right hand on the shaft the right forearm will be on plane whether you're swinging on TSP, EP or something inbetween.
Look at Jim Furyk and Moe Norman. They are probably as far apart plane wise through impact as you get. Yet, both have the RF on plane through impact. The difference will be how close to your right hip the elbow goes.
For sure. You're talking Right Forearm Flying Wedge there and I totally agree. The only stumbling block so far in our march towards the identification of an ideal exit plane , if there is an ideal exit plane, is the definition of Elbow , TSP etc. It been a thing for me for a while now , so lets get er done once and for all.
(Then we can run wild on other forums correcting people and getting em all mad at us and using weird capitalizations and terminology and stuff. Some of which we make up for the occasion.............) Lynn how do insert smilie faces I cant even get "The Shadow of your Smile" E faces working here.
But let's make a strategy before we hit the road with this one. First we start off with a couple of months worth of telling what's wrong without telling what's right....
Back on topic; I'm not quite sure where your emphasis. I'm thinking that the CF imposed by the club on the hands potentially can pull the hands out of their ideal path and that this again will pull the club out of it's ideal path. Thus, you get a situation where the tail is wagging the dog.
PS I hit the range today and tried Gary Players tip on plugged lies out of the bunker; Square to closed face and lot of wrist action. It worked like a charm. But the wind is blowing in Texas so now I have half a bunker in my hair
Although there may be minor variations for hinge type.
I am going to call the exit plane by extrapolating beyond 2 sequential alignments. Impact fix and follow-through.
at impact fix we have on plane shaft tracing plane line- and ON THE ELBOW PLANE. at follow through we have on plane shaft tracing plane line with both arms straight- no accumulator #2 or #3 left. This an TSP. There is little to disrupt the continued planar motion of the club and hands. the swivel should be minimally disruptive. So what happens. between impact and follow through there is a "raising" of the plane, elbow to tsp, so I will extrapolate a continued plane elevation above TSP. This would be facilitated by the rising shoulders of the golfer towards finish. My reasoned conclusion is the EXIT plane is plane "moderately" steeper than a TSP .
What are the alternatives?? Advanced chicken wing or the AP Helicopter? Those a very special purpose planes.
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Very nice Doctor. I like that as a possibility perhaps even a common one. "Exit plane is moderately steeper than TSP."
As an aside I think we'd both agree the Finish swivel is not at all disruptive to the on plane orbit of the clubhead.......the effort to block it is however as you allude to with your Arnold Palmer reference. There is no hand guiding the planets orbit , the universe etc.
We havent finished our definition thing on TSP but given that TSP has a range of possible angles to my mind.....that could be a pretty steep angle.
Do we need to define where the Exit is? Its a DTL view of the club coming out from behind the golfers back. Finish Swivel if there is one you'll see the clubhead with a block you get chicken wing'd left elbow etc.
Moe is maybe in the process of shifting up to his higher plane for Finish here. I bet a photo at the moment of Exit would show a slightly lower plane.
We havent finished our definition thing on TSP but given that TSP has a range of possible angles to my mind.....that could be a pretty steep angle.
Great idea.
Daryl has posted a series of drawings depicting the downswing plane(s). They are a great discussion tool. I could not relocate them. Perhaps Daryl or yourself know where they are and can repost them here???
The concept of multiple angles of multiple Planes is daunting.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Very nice Doctor. I like that as a possibility perhaps even a common one. "Exit plane is moderately steeper than TSP."
As an aside I think we'd both agree the Finish swivel is not at all disruptive to the on plane orbit of the clubhead.......the effort to block it is however as you allude to with your Arnold Palmer reference. There is no hand guiding the planets orbit , the universe etc.
We havent finished our definition thing on TSP but given that TSP has a range of possible angles to my mind.....that could be a pretty steep angle.
Do we need to define where the Exit is? Its a DTL view of the club coming out from behind the golfers back. Finish Swivel if there is one you'll see the clubhead with a block you get chicken wing'd left elbow etc.
Moe is maybe in the process of shifting up to his higher plane for Finish here. I bet a photo at the moment of Exit would show a slightly lower plane.
I feel like I just wandered into Hebrew class after the much more intuitive Greek.
But I'm sure I'll benefit from the mind expanding terminology, eventually.
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