D, I love your drawings but I dont think that is quite right. Like all things Homer its a confusing bit of business .......so it could very well be that Im in the wrong.
To decipher 7-2 I believe one needs to understand Homers definition of a True Swinger. Tell me how I'm doing here:
CF alone aligns the clubface which to Homer meant (amongst other things) that as the ball is moved back in the stance the grip is not "Rotated". See 6-H-0 IMPERATIVES E and F points #3. E Being Hitting and F ( True) Swinging.
What does this mean to impact geometry? Given that the True Swinger doesnt Rotate hIs grip as he moves the ball back in his stance his clubhead moves back and the face opens accordingly. To compensate for this open face he Rotates his Plane Line to the left to square the face to the target but in so doing creates a divergence in Path and Face which if given enough speed, not too much loft etc will tend to produce a fade.
The Manipulated Hands Swinger or the Hitter on the other hand will (amongst other things, Hinge Action for instance) Rotate the Grip for balls played back so as to square the face to the target. As the ball moves back along the inside/out Arc of Approach there is also divergence this time tending towards a draw.
It had me stumped for a while but I think got this one particular riddle figured out......maybe.
You know Homer had it all figured out but the way he explained things was not his strongest suit it would seem. But, that said, if you ever try to rework his writings .......you fall flat on your face. It aint nearly as easy at it seems. I wish he'd done more drawings, like yours for instance, D.
When BerntR and Bear finish with their time machine (they're getting really close they tell me) we'll have to send you back to Homers lab so you can help him out with some drawings for his book. Man he'd loved that opportunity I bet.
Your interpretation-explanation, and my drawings - match. If you don't think so, then please explain.
Is this drawing easier to understand?
Daryl, I find this drawing easier to understand.
I am having difficulty relating the bottom picture (above) to step 3 picture in your previous post. In the bottom picture above, the clubshaft and face are in line. Whereas, in the step 3 picture, there is a distinct angle between the clubshaft (green line) and the clubface (black line). The distinct angle appears to me to be the result of rotating the grip. Sounds similar to what OB was commenting on.
I am having difficulty relating the bottom picture (above) to step 3 picture in your previous post. In the bottom picture above, the clubshaft and face are in line. Whereas, in the step 3 picture, there is a distinct angle between the clubshaft (green line) and the clubface (black line). The distinct angle appears to me to be the result of rotating the grip. Sounds similar to what OB was commenting on.
Did I mis-interpret your original drawings?
I think that the original Drawings were bad drawings. They were hurried and although I thought they conveyed the book, and my interpretation, I no longer thing so. I messed up the shaft and clubface as you pointed out. I think that I should use "Hook-face" only when illustrating a rotated grip. I didn't have the shaft aligned correctly in the original drawings.
Your interpretation-explanation, and my drawings - match. If you don't think so, then please explain.
Is this drawing easier to understand?
I believe this is keerect. (Assuming you rotated the whole machine in that last drawing, what Homer refers to as a "Rotated Plane Line "....it certainly appears that way to me as I look that third drawing. Not to be confused with a mere change in foot line or some such thing.)
This is an illustration of how a True Swinger would need to Rotate his Plane Line to square his Clubface for balls positioned forward of Low Point given that he hasnt Rotated his Grip. A Draw resulting as True Swinging assumes no compensational Hand Manipulation to offset the draw alignments, Divergence in Path and Face during the swing. CF alone will square the face during the swing (CF naturally creates Horizontal Hinging without any manipulation by the hands). These are the "passive hands" of golf literature taken to their logical extreme.....with some accompanying passive arms too I believe although Im still thinking the True Swinger could employ Extensor Action it being a non accelerating thrust of the right arm. Not sure .. life line .....anybody?
D, would you care to try the manipulated hands Swinger / Hitter version......which I believe Doctor Sandridge is perhaps referring to? The Rotated Grip version in other words .....where the face is squared to the target via "manipulation" as opposed to CF alone. (As I interpret Homer anyways).
How bout an iron played back in the stance with and without Grip Rotation.
As a side note the thing that really troubled me when I first read 7-2 was that there seemed to be two sets of physics, impact geometry laws .........one for true swinger , one for hitter. But I read it wrong of course. There is but one sets of laws, natural and universal and as I believe Ben Doyle says "either you're lawful or you're awful".
(Was I correct in thinking that's Ben Doyle's line David? I figure you'll know having had lessons with Misters Doyle , Sloan , Tomassello , McHatton, Blake etc.......thats the entire group from the "pioneer" first GSEM class with Homer and a couple of bright lights from Lynn's GSEM class...... as some of you guys who keep track of such things will notice).
Daryl, how 'bout a ball played back in the stance with a mid iron , Grip Rotation and Angled Hinge? Gonna have to draw the face staying square to the Arc or Inclined Plane.......
Im seeing a brave new world of TGM drawings. Where once there were just words, beautiful words but poorly suited for illustrating geometry.......we shall see illustrations and boldly go where no man .......
Hybrid Mode
