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Old 12-07-2011, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by whip View Post
From here, Eldrick must COMPENSATE for the disrupted shoulder to ball radius caused by the bobbing of his head, (as described as a "power move" by his current swing instructor Sean Foley in THIS article).
Whip,
you are correct. However, if you start looking you'd be surprised how many great players do it. All the big hitters, and anytime the others try to catch another gear, they'll go down then up to some extent. Long drive guys have huge verticals. Can't do a vertical if you don't go down first. Is it a compensated radius you have to deal with? Absolutely.......but it s definitely happening.
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JTillery View Post
Whip,
you are correct. However, if you start looking you'd be surprised how many great players do it. All the big hitters, and anytime the others try to catch another gear, they'll go down then up to some extent. Long drive guys have huge verticals. Can't do a vertical if you don't go down first. Is it a compensated radius you have to deal with? Absolutely.......but it s definitely happening.
I am aware that many tour players in fact drop their head, and many who do, hit it far. It is part of their body related procedure which MAY amplify physics and reduce throwaway, but it carries a prohibitive price tag, and a compensation Must be made. Ask yourself this, do you think tiger would really lose distance if he didn't bob his head? Even if he did ( which he wouldn't), His swing speed is 120-125 plus, would it matter if it dropped a few MPHs in exchange for a lot more fairways hit? He is a professional golfer after all, isn't it a little embarrassing hitting only half the fairways...Wouldn't a centered motion create more distance because of the speed created by the efficiency of the motion? and by him not having to create compensating forces with muscular effort, the flow of speed would be less interrupted and the club head orbit less disrupted. Also I guarantee tiger could hit it further and straighter with a longer length driver and a head that does not bob or maybe a lower loft and more forward ball position. tigers stats indicate he needs to hit it straighter off the tee, The nationwide guys consistently average longer distances off the tee than the PGA tour guys, there's a reason Why, accuracy is more Important on the big boy tour than hitting a drive 315 vs 305.

The case could be made that this is what tiger has done for so long it is a personal preference that must be worked around instead of changed per se, nevertheless it is a snare. Probably just by backing it off a little bit tiger would improve his accuracy and still maintain his coveted power, in fact I would bet he hits it further.

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Old 12-07-2011, 12:23 PM
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Tigers motion couldn't be anymore centered left and right, though there is some down and up. It was also there when he WAS hitting fairways and winning 70 times. I don't disagree that it could make him drive it more consistently, but the elephant in the room for his driving ability is that picture IMHO
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:36 PM
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What do you mean when you say that picture J? Snap release? Wonder if the head drop was the same, it seems more forceful than ever since he got to foley, I know his head has always dropped but it seems like ever since he got on this s&t-esque motion(pelvic thrust, ski jump twist nonsense....) the motion seems more forced, more jammed than ever. As we know In this game inches are miles.
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:53 PM
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What do you mean when you say that picture J? Snap release? Wonder if the head drop was the same, it seems more forceful than ever since he got to foley, I know his head has always dropped but it seems like ever since he got on this s&t-esque motion(pelvic thrust, ski jump twist nonsense....) the motion seems more forced, more jammed than ever. As we know In this game inches are miles.
who's thrusted the pelvis?....


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Old 12-07-2011, 12:50 PM
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I am well aware that many tour players in fact drop their head, and many who do hit it far. It is part of their body related procedure which may amplify physics and reduce throwaway, but it carries a prohibitive price tag, and a compensation Must be made. Ask yourself this, do you think tiger would really lose distance if he didn't bob his head? Even if he did, His swing speed is 125 plus, would it matter if it dropped a few MPHs in exchange for a lot more fairways hit? He is a professional golfer after all, isn't it a little embarrassing hitting only half the fairways...Wouldn't a centered motion create more distance because of the efficiency of the motion? and by him not having to create compensating forces with muscular effort, the flow of speed would be less interrupted and the club head orbit less disrupted. Also I guarantee tiger could hit it further and straighter with a longer length driver and a head that does not bob or maybe a lower loft and more forward ball position. Sure maybe bobbing amplifies tigers physics, does tiger really need more power, No his stats would indicate he needs to hit it straighter. The nationwide guys consistently average longer distances off the tee than the PGA tour guys, there's a reason Why, accuracy is more Important on the big boy tour than hitting a drive 315 vs 305.

a player has a limit to hand speed, maximum controllable hand speed as jtillery pointed out, the speed is happening, flowing through this position, he is not trying to hold off, which would In effect actually slow down the whole sequence because it's not a flowing force, rather it is an intuitive result of MAJOR TALENT tiger instinctively senses how to apply a high power sequence. Is this thread only about the snap release?

The case could be made that this is what tiger has done for so long it is a personal preference that must be worked around instead of changed per se, nevertheless it is a snare. Probably just by backing it off a little bit tiger would improve his accuracy and still maintain his coveted power.
Good question......

The thread is about the analysis of that picture....


Is that picture a snap release?
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:36 AM
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That position is perfect.

Far better than what he has been in over a decade.

He no longer needs to 'time' squaring of the face, which has been the core issue since he moved from Butch.

All the result of a poor grip (under Haney), that was way, way too weak.

He is getting back to what John Anselmo taught him.

The 'pitching sense'.

I didn't see his latest play (can't see much from China), but I can tell that this next season will be a huge one for him again.

Just from that picture. 4-6 wins in the next year is my guess (globally)
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:58 AM
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tiger woods is and forever will be a legend of the game of golf. It kills me to see him paying this guy good money to ruin his golf swing. TIGER IS TRAPPED IN THE WRONG APPROACH
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Old 12-08-2011, 07:09 AM
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That position is perfect.

Far better than what he has been in over a decade.

He no longer needs to 'time' squaring of the face, which has been the core issue since he moved from Butch.

All the result of a poor grip (under Haney), that was way, way too weak.

He is getting back to what John Anselmo taught him.

The 'pitching sense'.

I didn't see his latest play (can't see much from China), but I can tell that this next season will be a huge one for him again.

Just from that picture. 4-6 wins in the next year is my guess (globally)
Why Ed is that picture perfect? I need support....you know the stuff....let's have the arguement for it.
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:09 AM
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Do you have the next frame in the sequence?

Notice the clubface position.

The only thing that needs to happen to have a good impact from there is the right arm straightening.

No need to try to time #3 (roll), or to hold off/arch the left wrist to save it as before, when in the same position, he would have the face much, much more open (toe up)

Now the face is at 45 degrees there.

Active (as in a hitter's thrust), or passive (shoulder turn throw) - that face is going to be square. The only way to screw up that position is to have 'center' move forward, and from the looks of it, he is well centered.
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