thoughts....decided on a pattern

[KevCarter]

I prefer dual horizontal for the long game

that however does not make it superior!

I agree, that just makes it it's strong point, just as angled hinging has its own strong points. IMO that would be a slower rate of closure. Perhaps more accurate and easier to time?

No best way.

Kevin

[whip]

Perhaps, for personal application, but all hinge actions can be equally as accurate, however only dual horizontal produces, maximum deformation of the golf ball, and for true swingers is naturally produced, thus you dont have to manipulate anything.

[KevCarter]

Perhaps, for personal application, but all hinge actions can be equally as accurate, however only dual horizontal produces, maximum deformation of the golf ball, and for true swingers is naturally produced, thus you dont have to manipulate anything.

Whip, I obviously agree with your second point, and I think the first point is a little more player/pattern dependent. I fancy myself as a hitter using Horizontal Hinging, and that probably isn't optimal, but it's what I got, where Mr. Kelley explains that HH is optimal for a swinger.

Please see my signature.

Kevin

[KevCarter]

Perhaps, for personal application, but all hinge actions can be equally as accurate, however only dual horizontal produces, maximum deformation of the golf ball, and for true swingers is naturally produced, thus you dont have to manipulate anything.

By the way, VERY IMPRESSED with the work you have done on your swing, I wouldn't take you on even with 2 a side!!!

Kevin

[whip]

For sure kev you were not wrong though, each player will most likely have his best work with one or another which will not be the same for all, nothing wrong with horizontal hitting different strokes for different folks. I simply wanted to point out, (because homer did) that even though the rates of closure change etc. Homer Wanted to make it clear that they are all equally capable (consistency and accuracy wise) but only dual horizontal gives maximum deformation of the golf ball. Let's get out and play! Thanks for the encouragement!

[O.B.Left]

You using horizontal hinging? See Hogan's clubface at a similar spot....your "pivot" look is similar...I do remember from your swing caddy view the head wanted to move back some...Hogan goes forward big time...will slow the face down....

Hey Bucket , this photo here is a hands manipulated shot isn't it? A hold off, chicken wing cut maybe? I don't see this as his usual release . You saying this is where you wanna be face wise, generally speaking?


I dunno.

[12 piece bucket]

Hey Bucket , this photo here is a hands manipulated shot isn't it? A hold off, chicken wing cut maybe? I don't see this as his usual release . You saying this is where you wanna be face wise, generally speaking?


I dunno.

Chicken wing? Is the clubshaft pointing at the plane? Is the face cutting plane vs. laying on it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=S5swNm6SofQ

[KevCarter]

that however does not make it superior!

Hey Bucket, studying your posts about Eddies pattern, and the Palmer pics got the noodle thinking, I wonder if angled hinging is more compatible with rotated shoulders? I'll check chapter 11 and see if Homer mentions it. Just running back some swings in my head and it is making sense. What do you think? I'm loving these ideas your espousing BTW! To me it ties very nicely to last years great thread about the shoulders pushing the arms if properly aligned

Kevin

[12 piece bucket]

Hey Bucket, studying your posts about Eddies pattern, and the Palmer pics got the noodle thinking, I wonder if angled hinging is more compatible with rotated shoulders? I'll check chapter 11 and see if Homer mentions it. Just running back some swings in my head and it is making sense. What do you think? I'm loving these ideas your espousing BTW! To me it ties very nicely to last years great thread about the shoulders pushing the arms if properly aligned

Kevin

So here's my initial pass on your query ...... rotated shoulder turn goes better with "flatter" plane angles.... with the associated hand path...the hands are NEVER above the right shoulder (backstop...launching pad)....so no waste in getting the hands back in line with the shoulder before the right forearm pushes out the sweetspot...sweetspot can be pushed out almost immediately....plus if the hands are lifted above the right shoulder the body has to stay turned in order for the hands to "drop" in line...this gets the momentum of the club falling behind...which is more of a swinging move...plus that staying turned lends itself to the spine tilting back flywheel style.

[KevCarter]

Thanks Bucket, good stuff as always!