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Old 12-19-2011, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
I believe these faults also go hand-in-hand(no pun intended) with the current fad of swinging the hands way left, which requires a cocked left wrist through impact in order for the sweetspot to come anywhere close to tracing the plane line. If the left wrist is properly level at impact, swinging way left means a bent plane line.
How is this different from all the trigger delay here?

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Old 12-19-2011, 06:12 PM
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How is this different from all the trigger delay here?

Trigger delay?
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Trigger delay?
Ok...you don't like that description....

How is what you said different that what is going on in the picture of Bently J Doyle? Both have the left wrist cocked for a long time...I don't care about debating an understanding of terms....I'm more interested in how what you described as swinging a cocked left wrist to the left and whatever you want to describe Doyle doing here as a different....

Seems to me what Doyle is doing.... what Eldirk is doing.... and what you described are very similar....

If you'd like to explain Trigger Delay to me and then tell me how this other stuff works....I'm ready to learn.



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Old 12-19-2011, 11:13 PM
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Bucket, the pivots are the biggest differences. Tiger is way more left than Doyle with almost the same trigger delay/lean/lag/angle/retained wristcock or ulnar deviation. Whichever is now acceptable.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:02 AM
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Bucket, the pivots are the biggest differences. Tiger is way more left than Doyle with almost the same trigger delay/lean/lag/angle/retained wristcock or ulnar deviation. Whichever is now acceptable.
Witcha! But does that make it all better?
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:38 AM
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Witcha! But does that make it all better?
Is it really trigger delay, or just the left arm-shaft angle being that way right from the start (i.e., setup)?
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:03 PM
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Witcha! But does that make it all better?
It doesn't by itself make it better or worse. Just different. There is no universal correct amount of lean or trigger delay. There are SO many factors involved.......
When one major champion has tons of shaft lean and "rhythm" ala Trevino, and the other has virtually zero ala Nicklaus, the fun is to figure out how and why they both work. It is impossible to teach a specific amount of lag or lean, for example, to the masses without ruining someone along the way.
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:22 PM
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Witcha! But does that make it all better?
The delay of wristcock release is better because of the fact that the maximum clubhead speed due to the #2 angle is attained almost instantly after the left wrist starts to uncock. After that, the speed from PA #2 decreases, that is, in every Swing, the clubhead is slowing down at impact. Therefore, the closer to impact you release #2, the less time there is for the clubhead to slow down. The late release and the the sweep release have the same max clubhead speed shortly after their respective release points(assuming equal handspeed and wristcock), but, because the clubhead doesn't have as much time to slow down, the late release gives more speed at impact.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:05 PM
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Another good point. However, if speed were the only consideration, the Happy Gilmore would be even better. Do you feel that there is no such thing as too much lag or too deep? What if the player can't catch up?
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
The delay of wristcock release is better because of the fact that the maximum clubhead speed due to the #2 angle is attained almost instantly after the left wrist starts to uncock. After that, the speed from PA #2 decreases, that is, in every Swing, the clubhead is slowing down at impact. Therefore, the closer to impact you release #2, the less time there is for the clubhead to slow down. The late release and the the sweep release have the same max clubhead speed shortly after their respective release points(assuming equal handspeed and wristcock), but, because the clubhead doesn't have as much time to slow down, the late release gives more speed at impact.

Interesting stuff MJ .

Is this also true in terms of club head speed in general as opposed just to the clubhead speed derived from #2? If so I didn't know that! What about max radius vs less than ? The swinger not being subject to the slowing effect etc ? Although I never did wrap my head around that one.

Homer I believe stated that the club head slowed post low point but slowing prior to impact would be new I think. Or do you mean a slowing in the rate of acceleration as opposed to a general slowing down?

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