naw...mean SIMULTANEOUS...makes complete sense to me...you AIN'T GOT TIME NO MORE TO SEQUENCE...they both gotta go and FAST to get the sweetspot to the ball....I'll find the reference for you....
Ok Id like to see that. Cause I got things figured out the other way round currently. From Snap its easier, faster to uncork #2 down plane with the left hand flat to plane and then roll at the bottom. Sequenced. The "fastest in golf" being the roll. You know, "like a little bat".
I always associated snap more with swingers traditionally .....and their deep right elbow pulling rather than pushing .
Ok Id like to see that. Cause I got things figured out the other way round currently. From Snap its easier, faster to uncork #2 down plane with the left hand flat to plane and then roll at the bottom. Sequenced. The "fastest in golf" being the roll. You know, "like a little bat".
There is a healthy amount of overlap in a sequenced release. You have to start rolling well before impact(at which point the left wrist is level). Since there is still an angle well less than 180 degs between the left forearm and shaft when the left wrist is level with any normal grip, and even less still at the point that the roll starts, you're rolling a big bat(the whole club), not a little one(the clubhead).
There is a healthy amount of overlap in a sequenced release. You have to start rolling well before impact(at which point the left wrist is level). Since there is still an angle well less than 180 degs between the left forearm and shaft when the left wrist is level with any normal grip, and even less still at the point that the roll starts, you're rolling a big bat(the whole club), not a little one(the clubhead).
Exactly what I'm about to post. Full sweep release. Only a very few strong individuals can afford to wait and release pa3 late. I think this is the reason many dismiss outright a mainly pa3-based release. It's too damn hard. That's why you gotta start releasing pa3 ASAP. From transition.
Here's what I think, you experts please help me out and comment please:
1. Your left wrist, at level status, has acute pa3 angle, the most your butt palm pad and index finger can handle. You obtain this at setup. 90 degrees is ideal.
2. Left wrist must be level from top to impact to maintain the pa3 angle.
3. You start to release the pa3 accumulator right after start down. Almost simultaneous. (I start down with lower body, I.e., hips). Why? An acute pa3 angle is too damn hard to release. Immeasurably hard. So you start ASAP.
4. Pa2 is released automatically. It should be given no thought at all. The left wrist pa2 travel for fully c0cked to level is so short anyway, it's immaterial. In fact, if you release pa2 intentionally, the momentum it generates is so hard, that if you do it your left wrist will unc0ck more than level, which in turn will render pa3 release impossible.
5. Why pa3 based release with acute pa3 angle? Accuracy. With distance. Accuracy AND distance. Gotta be strong though. And by the way, you can add pa1 without any negative consequence at all; only one requirement, bent right wrist at impact as required by the pa3 angle.
I'd like to believe this is what Tiger is doing. It is what Tiger is doing. It won't hit the ground because of his pa3 angle. Damn I'm hardheaded.
Exactly what I'm about to post. Full sweep release. Only a very few strong individuals can afford to wait and release pa3 late. I think this is the reason many dismiss outright a mainly pa3-based release. It's too damn hard. That's why you gotta start releasing pa3 ASAP. From transition.
Here's what I think, you experts please help me out and comment please:
1. Your left wrist, at level status, has acute pa3 angle, the most your butt palm pad and index finger can handle. You obtain this at setup. 90 degrees is ideal.
2. Left wrist must be level from top to impact to maintain the pa3 angle.
3. You start to release the pa3 accumulator right after start down. Almost simultaneous. (I start down with lower body, I.e., hips). Why? An acute pa3 angle is too damn hard to release. Immeasurably hard. So you start ASAP.
4. Pa2 is released automatically. It should be given no thought at all. The left wrist pa2 travel for fully c0cked to level is so short anyway, it's immaterial. In fact, if you release pa2 intentionally, the momentum it generates is so hard, that if you do it your left wrist will unc0ck more than level, which in turn will render pa3 release impossible.
5. Why pa3 based release with acute pa3 angle? Accuracy. With distance. Accuracy AND distance. Gotta be strong though. And by the way, you can add pa1 without any negative consequence at all; only one requirement, bent right wrist at impact as required by the pa3 angle.
I'd like to believe this is what Tiger is doing. It is what Tiger is doing. It won't hit the ground because of his pa3 angle. Damn I'm hardheaded.
Comments? Anyone?
For starters -
1. No it doesn't, a level wrist is partially uncocked. You clearly don't know the definition of "level".
1. No it doesn't, a level wrist is partially uncocked. You clearly don't know the definition of "level".
I know definition of "level". What I mean in there is that at "level", the left arm-shaft angle must still be huge. I want a still substantial angle despite it being slightly unc0cked already. I want it level at impact, so at impact, I still want the pa3 angle as angled as possible. But yeah, it's partially unc0cked, as a necessity of maintaining huge pa3 angle as possible.
I know definition of "level". What I mean in there is that at "level", the left arm-shaft angle must still be huge. I want a still substantial angle despite it being slightly unc0cked already. I want it level at impact, so at impact, I still want the pa3 angle as angled as possible. But yeah, it's partially unc0cked, as a necessity of maintaining huge pa3 angle as possible.
In order to get this "huge" PA3 angle, are you holding the club at the base of the little finger of the left hand, instead of placing the butt of the club up under the heel pad?
In order to get this "huge" PA3 angle, are you holding the club at the base of the little finger of the left hand, instead of placing the butt of the club up under the heel pad?
Butt of grip/club under the heel pad. However, to to have as acute as possible pa3 angle, the other end of the grip I pull it up more (nearer the wrist) towards the palm as possible where the index finger can still hold on to it tight (it's actually on the palm already, NOT on the index finger; it's actually on the callus directly behind the big knuckle of index finger). So it's really as across my palm/hand/arm as possible without sacrificing stabilization of the grip. And to further ensure the acute pa3 angle as possible DURING the swing, especially when pa2 kicks in, I really HOOK my right little finger over the knuckle of my left index finger. I find that when the pa2 releases, the pa2 momentum/inertia would always make my left wrist unc0ck more than "level" state. My solution, in addition to keeping the left wrist flat or slightly bowed, is to also REALLY hook the right pinky over the knuckle of index finger. I find that concentrating on this, to my surprise, is more effective than concentrating on a bent right wrist and pp1. And yeah, I also concentrate on pp2 (to achieve the flat left wrist), but not just the last 3 fingers, I also include the index/1st finger; it prevents unc0cking beyond level. I think this is the main advantage of the overlapping grip, you can use all the fingers of left hand, you need all for that delivery line roll, pa3-based release, right?
Last edited by brianid : 12-23-2011 at 08:03 PM.
Reason: Revised word "being" to "behind"
Exactly what I'm about to post. Full sweep release. Only a very few strong individuals can afford to wait and release pa3 late. I think this is the reason many dismiss outright a mainly pa3-based release. It's too damn hard. That's why you gotta start releasing pa3 ASAP. From transition.
Here's what I think, you experts please help me out and comment please:
1. Your left wrist, at level status, has acute pa3 angle, the most your butt palm pad and index finger can handle. You obtain this at setup. 90 degrees is ideal.
2. Left wrist must be level from top to impact to maintain the pa3 angle.
3. You start to release the pa3 accumulator right after start down. Almost simultaneous. (I start down with lower body, I.e., hips). Why? An acute pa3 angle is too damn hard to release. Immeasurably hard. So you start ASAP.
4. Pa2 is released automatically. It should be given no thought at all. The left wrist pa2 travel for fully c0cked to level is so short anyway, it's immaterial. In fact, if you release pa2 intentionally, the momentum it generates is so hard, that if you do it your left wrist will unc0ck more than level, which in turn will render pa3 release impossible.
5. Why pa3 based release with acute pa3 angle? Accuracy. With distance. Accuracy AND distance. Gotta be strong though. And by the way, you can add pa1 without any negative consequence at all; only one requirement, bent right wrist at impact as required by the pa3 angle.
I'd like to believe this is what Tiger is doing. It is what Tiger is doing. It won't hit the ground because of his pa3 angle. Damn I'm hardheaded.
Comments? Anyone?
Is this what you believe Eldrick is doing or trying to do? I don't see evidence of this....shoulders closed....left palm still karate chop? Elbow bordering on perverted pitch? How can #3 kick in at transition given the position he's in at delivery?
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