Makes sense to me: Sequenced, Simultaneous and all points in between being Overlapped to varying degrees. But re the latter : #2 fires prior to #3. Uncock then Roll.
"Delivery Line Uncocking Prep" then "Delivery Line Roll Prep" with special emphasis on the Roll . You can really feel them both and which one fires first. The Swingers Flail.... thank you Homer and Lynn Blake. Knowing your Trigger , your Throw is the answer to downswing black out.
OB, why would you want to fire pa2 prior to start releasing pa3? Why do you want to lose the lag early? Why not full release of pa3 from start down, with pa2 automatically firing at release phase? This way you maximize accuracy, and have essentially same power?
OB, why would you want to fire pa2 prior to start releasing pa3? Why do you want to lose the lag early? Why not full release of pa3 from start down, with pa2 automatically firing at release phase? This way you maximize accuracy, and have essentially same power?
Brian,
IMO, you can't release #3 before #2 and still comply with the plane. I think the first test of any golf swing discussion is whether it fits with the Imperatives.
Kevin
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IMO, you can't release #3 before #2 and still comply with the plane. I think the first test of any golf swing discussion is whether it fits with the Imperatives.
Kevin
I meant more of what bucket pointed out, pa3 and pa2 simultaneously, though I don't think it's necessary to think about the pa2. As I said, I think efforts should be avoided that will "encourage" pa2 to release because IMO that will make you lose my pet pa3 angle beyond level.
Re plane, would what you said still apply if after transition you get down to elbow plane or, as pointed out by bucket in another thread, you get down to the plane you choose consistent with or appropriate with the pa3 angle you have?
I meant more of what bucket pointed out, pa3 and pa2 simultaneously, though I don't think it's necessary to think about the pa2. As I said, I think efforts should be avoided that will "encourage" pa2 to release because IMO that will make you lose my pet pa3 angle beyond level.
Re plane, would what you said still apply if after transition you get down to elbow plane or, as pointed out by bucket in another thread, you get down to the plane you choose consistent with or appropriate with the pa3 angle you have?
Hi Brian,
Many planes are available along with many release types. From your post, I was just envisioning #3 kicking out from the top over the plane with no chance of recovery. I think Homer emphasized 4-1-2-3 for a reason... Brian, please understand I am learning too. I'm gaining a much better grasp of what Homer is looking for, but have a long way to go as far as intelligently discussing advanced application. I'm also very interested in hitting procedures right now, and looking at everything through those eyes.
Kevin
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OB, why would you want to fire pa2 prior to start releasing pa3? Why do you want to lose the lag early? Why not full release of pa3 from start down, with pa2 automatically firing at release phase? This way you maximize accuracy, and have essentially same power?
This is a pretty astute question...you've essentially described the difference between Swinging and Hitting....
BUT keep in mind....the WHEN you fire/Trigger #2 (your release) is up to you the golfer...I don't think OB or B.O. or whatever his name is was suggesting that you throw immediately from the top (you can)....just that you throw sometime...when is your choice....
It's Swinging...it's SEQUENCED....#2 uncocking starts FIRST in the sequence....then #3....that's Swinging....
your second question .... why not let #3 go....well heck yeah...why not...then you'd be HITTING....you'd be releasing #3 AND #2 SIMULTANEOUSLY....
the BEAUTY of the SYSTEM....HOMER KNEW IT....the other thing he knew was THE IMPORTANCE OF RIGHT ARM PARTICIPATION.....NOT JUST THAT IT PARTICIPATES....BUT HOW IT PARTICIPATES....IT SUPPORTS THE LOADING....SUPPORTS THE LEVER ASSEMBLY BEING LOADED...
HITTING FOREARM
SWINGING FOREARM
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This is a pretty astute question...you've essentially described the difference between Swinging and Hitting....
BUT keep in mind....the WHEN you fire/Trigger #2 (your release) is up to you the golfer...I don't think OB or B.O. or whatever his name is was suggesting that you throw immediately from the top (you can)....just that you throw sometime...when is your choice....
It's Swinging...it's SEQUENCED....#2 uncocking starts FIRST in the sequence....then #3....that's Swinging....
your second question .... why not let #3 go....well heck yeah...why not...then you'd be HITTING....you'd be releasing #3 AND #2 SIMULTANEOUSLY....
the BEAUTY of the SYSTEM....HOMER KNEW IT....the other thing he knew was THE IMPORTANCE OF RIGHT ARM PARTICIPATION.....NOT JUST THAT IT PARTICIPATES....BUT HOW IT PARTICIPATES....IT SUPPORTS THE LOADING....SUPPORTS THE LEVER ASSEMBLY BEING LOADED...
HITTING FOREARM
SWINGING FOREARM
Hello Mr. Bucket,
Would it be possible to be a HITTER (pa3 and pa2 rekeased at same time) using all left arm, with pa1 releasing only at delivery phase as an ADD-ON and is completely optional. In the golfer's mind/intent, it would be just pa3. I know pa2 will be released as well, but that golfer is not thinking about pa2 at all. In fact, he is consciously avoiding too much release of it beyond a "level" left wrist.
So, it's all pivot and left arm releasing the pa3 (aka supination Mr. Hogan made famous) right after transition with a huge pa3 angle. I "feel" it's swinging, not hitting, mainly because it uses the left side and the pivot.
Would it be possible to be a HITTER (pa3 and pa2 rekeased at same time) using all left arm, with pa1 releasing only at delivery phase as an ADD-ON and is completely optional. In the golfer's mind/intent, it would be just pa3. I know pa2 will be released as well, but that golfer is not thinking about pa2 at all. In fact, he is consciously avoiding too much release of it beyond a "level" left wrist.
So, it's all pivot and left arm releasing the pa3 (aka supination Mr. Hogan made famous) right after transition with a huge pa3 angle. I "feel" it's swinging, not hitting, mainly because it uses the left side and the pivot.
Not Bucket but
-the left arm being situated where it is, can only pull. It can not push. Pull being Swinging and Push being Hitting. The right arm however can pull or push , depending on where the right elbow is vis a vis the hands. But its a big load on the right elbow to right arm swing . Imagine that shot putter throwing the shot like a baseball pitcher ....he'd rip his elbow apart. The club is lighter of course but... one can feel the twinges as the right elbow approaches pitch elbow with an active right arm.
-Hitting and Swinging are not defined by their Simultaneous or Sequenced tendencies . It is possible to Swing and be Simultaneous. Accumulator #4 for pivot strokes then 2 and 3 together but initiated by a roll of the left hand off the plane. So (4, 2/3) three accumulator swinging firing order as opposed to (4, 2, 3).
- For all but the shortest of shots the left arm is not moving of its own muscle power . Fro pivot strokes the inert left arm is stretched by extensor action and pulled by the turning pivot , the left shoulder . Pulling the club with the left arm can pull the left arm off the chest .. Release . Better to turn the Pivot and let the left arm be "throw off" later by the slowing of the pivot.
-the left arm being situated where it is, can only pull. It can not push. Pull being Swinging and Push being Hitting. The right arm however can pull or push , depending on where the right elbow is vis a vis the hands. But its a big load on the right elbow to right arm swing . Imagine that shot putter throwing the shot like a baseball pitcher ....he'd rip his elbow apart. The club is lighter of course but... one can feel the twinges as the right elbow approaches pitch elbow with an active right arm.
-Hitting and Swinging are not defined by their Simultaneous or Sequenced tendencies . It is possible to Swing and be Simultaneous. Accumulator #4 for pivot strokes then 2 and 3 together but initiated by a roll of the left hand off the plane. So (4, 2/3) three accumulator swinging firing order as opposed to (4, 2, 3).
- For all but the shortest of shots the left arm is not moving of its own muscle power . Fro pivot strokes the inert left arm is stretched by extensor action and pulled by the turning pivot , the left shoulder . Pulling the club with the left arm can pull the left arm off the chest .. Release . Better to turn the Pivot and let the left arm be "throw off" later by the slowing of the pivot.
Thanks OB. That's a lot you gave me there.
Re the inert left arm, would intentional supination or ccw rotation of the left forearm/wrist/hand and external rotation of the left upper arm to release the club via pa3 during the down stroke in "violation" or not in accordance or inconsistent with the rule of the inert left arm and law of the flail?
Re the inert left arm, would intentional supination or ccw rotation of the left forearm/wrist/hand and external rotation of the left upper arm to release the club via pa3 during the down stroke in "violation" or not in accordance or inconsistent with the rule of the inert left arm and law of the flail?
no...you can actuate the accumulators "manually"...it's up to the golfer....automatic vs. non-automatic release types....
Would it be possible to be a HITTER (pa3 and pa2 rekeased at same time) using all left arm, with pa1 releasing only at delivery phase as an ADD-ON and is completely optional. In the golfer's mind/intent, it would be just pa3. I know pa2 will be released as well, but that golfer is not thinking about pa2 at all. In fact, he is consciously avoiding too much release of it beyond a "level" left wrist.
So, it's all pivot and left arm releasing the pa3 (aka supination Mr. Hogan made famous) right after transition with a huge pa3 angle. I "feel" it's swinging, not hitting, mainly because it uses the left side and the pivot.
4 barrel hitting...
but Hitting is gonna eventually stress the shaft differently than swinging....that's why you gotta position the right forearm in a way to PUSH the sweetspot....the sweetspot will align "looking at the ball/plane line" earlier....
So have a look at the cattle man's crack....wooooooo!!!! Here we come Brokeback Mountain! Coachman's crack....Swinger's love a working man's crack This cat will even discuss different cracks with you!!!
Note how the forem is aligned with the right shoulder here...backstop for PUSHING....pivot brings the rightshoulder fowward...then the right elbow right tricep LAUNCHES THAT MOFO OFF THE BACKSTOP LAUNCHING PAD WHICH WAS SET IN MOTION BY THE PIVOT....
Or maybe if you don't like a big burly type...you can get you a toofless mullet fireball....here's some more DRIVE LOADING....LAUNCHING PAD PIVOT...PUNCHING...
Note the steep shoulders...Note the "shutty-ish hockey blade sweetspot" ... that stick is rectangular...so he's loading for Hitting...that the lil' edge of the stick...the broad edge...Note the PUNCH ELBOW....elbow aligned for DRIVE LOADING...
NO LOADING FOR SWINGING IN HOCKEY....BAD: Forearm aligned to pull....GOOD: Forearm aligned to PUSH...Slapshot/Punch/Open Palm Strike/Shot Put vs. Forearm aligend to whip crack/fly cast/karate chop/slap
So you gotta pick whether you like a Coachman's Crack or a Backstop Blastoff
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This cat will even discuss different cracks with you!!!
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