You're on the money here, Bucket, and in your own inimitable style.
As usual.
Now, what say you about Arnie'ssteep backstroke shoulder turn, the steepest of all the major champions? (Same as the hockey player Patrrick Kane with his slap shot in your prior post #129). Especially when coupled with what has been described by some as a flat arm swing? Address the 'closed' clubface if you think its relevant.
P.S. If our mutual friend Eddie Cox wants to chime in here, I'll be the first to take a ringside seat.
What is going on here in my humble estimation is perfectly executed beautiful GEOMETRY derived from the Angle of Approach as described in 2-J-3 using the surrogate 10-5-E
the ANGLE of Approach straight line through the Impact and Low Points is its geometric equivalent. So the two procedures are always interchangeable, but the “Arc” is the most compatible with the “On Line” Swing and the “Line” with the “Cross Line Hit” (7-23) and herein they are so paired.
The straight line ANGLE of Approach Delivery Line changes the Physics of Impact because the centered Angular Clubhead Momentum becomes an uncentered Linear Momentum out toward “Right Field” without ever returning to the original 10-5-A configuration during the Follow-through. This just arbitrarily requires a 10-5-E Closed Plane Line with a steeper Plane whose Angle agrees with the new Clubshaft motions so it can maintain a straight line relation to a straight line per 2-N-0. There is no Angle of Approach to an Angle of Approach procedure because while the Forearm “Traces” the Delivery Line the CLUBHEAD VISUALLY COVERS IT. But remember, the new 10-5-E Plane Line is also the Angle of Approach regardless of the Right Forearm alignment (7-2-3, 7-3). So with every change in Ball location, the Plane Line changes and the Hitter has rotated BOTH Grip AND Plane Line. Per 7-23 this is the “Wheel Track” procedure. An Address procedure mentioned in 7-9 is very helpful with this variation and its closely related to 7-3.
10-5-E is CLOSED...Angle of Approach is IN TO OUT...thus...AP is using a surrogate delivery line and plane angle...thereby his shoulder turn is STEEP...like the steepest ever....but this component is PERFECT for the SELECTED delivery line and steeper 10-5-E plane angle...also the REQUIRED INWARD HAND PATH mandated by the Angle of Approach procedure....
Is the swing really "flat"? Naw...the shoulders are STEEP and it looks "flat" because the left arm is not lifted above the "shoulder line"...this is PERFECT geometric alignment for angle of approach hitting as the pivot is the launching pad and the rigth shoulder is the backstop (in motion) by which the right forearm DRIVES the sweetspot out in a SIMULTANEOUS release...thus note the "shutty" clubface (maybe slightly over shut if we is picking at straws)...but the Kang is loading the PRIMARY LEVER cuz he is HITTING he's not loading the Secondary Lever...No quarter turns required....no faces laying on planes...clubhead is driven OUT ....elbow is punch ...release is simultaneous....and the NATURAL hinge action is angled....
Shoulder steep...look at the shoulder line and how it is almost perfectly lined up with the line that would connect the right hip to the left knee...hips slanted to match the shoulder turn...steeeeeep....primary lever not raised above the "backstop"...the right shoulder PUSHING OVER the Primary Lever Assembly (which is what is being loaded)...the left arm never above the right shoulder so no "timing" or "slack" or "waiting" required for the primary lever to line up with the right shoulder...the right shoulder can IMMEDIATELY commit to its function of PUSHING DRIVING the primary lever DOWNPLANE...and then the right forearm PUNCH...driving the sweetspot OUT to the ball with angled hing action...BEAUTIFUL EFFICIENT GEOMETRY....misunderstood....I had no appreciation for it...but is AWESOME!
steeep shoulder drive out....
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 12-31-2011 at 09:54 AM.
Here's another beauty....AP on the AOA Procedure...note how the Primary Lever's top leg/segment the left arm is ALWAYS below the shoulders...this way the right shoulder (dual agent) is in a position to PUSH the primary lever DOWN .... from their it acts as the LAUNCHING pad for the Right Arm to DRIVE the sweetspot OUT OUT OUT to the ball...
Note the shutish clubface...this is due to the LOADING....Palmer has forgone the "quarter turn" involved in Swinging Loading the Secondary Lever...This the sweetspot is NOT rolled to the face of the plane...It is more cutting the plane...thereby aligned for Angled Hinging...thus the Right Foream is PUNCH and thereby aligned to the Loading procedure....like the hockey cats....DRIVE LOADING....but one thing to be attentive to...it is the SWEETSPOT THAT IS BEING DRIVEN OUT OUT OUT TO THE BALL....NOT YOUR HANDS PER SAY....AS SOON AS THE HANDS "FLEE" THE CLUBHEAD/SWEETSPOT WANTS TO LAY DOWN AND YOU HAVE JUST MIXED PROCEDURES AND TURNED YOUR SIMULTANEOUS RELEASE INTO A SEQUENCED RELEASE....AND JACKED UP THE LOADING....
IT AIN'T THIS.....
IT'S THIS....
How beautiful is that right forearm flying wedge????
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 12-31-2011 at 12:01 PM.
How beautiful is that right forearm flying wedge????
Yup.
What about Tiger then Bucket? How's he going to Release from there? I see a Right Arm throw from him these days in some videos . Might be wrong though. Sure looks a like an effortful right arm though . Not just Extensor Action, nope.
Has Tiger got another layer added to his 3 layer dip?
Different grips , different hands to plane ......different right arm throws but maybe they're both 4B hitting? Tigers in a different position with his elbow, his #1 pp isn't looking at the ball i don't think. Hmmm.
OOps didn't mean the Snare type dip. Was just thinking about three accumulators with Thrusting added , making for four. Not sure though. Bucket always makes me think about food for some reason. Fried chicken , ribs, pulled pork , heck pushed pork even you name it.
....but one thing to be attentive to...it is the SWEETSPOT THAT IS BEING DRIVEN OUT OUT OUT TO THE BALL....NOT YOUR HANDS PER SAY....AS SOON AS THE HANDS "FLEE" THE CLUBHEAD/SWEETSPOT WANTS TO LAY DOWN AND YOU HAVE JUST MIXED PROCEDURES AND TURNED YOUR SIMULTANEOUS RELEASE INTO A SEQUENCED RELEASE....AND JACKED UPTHE LOADING....
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Can You please direct me to clarity on the above quote?
Thanks.
I do want to note that AP has instructed that {the club is PULLED down with the left hand not pushed}
You do know that I have found NO physics contribution to the golf swing made by the "sweetspot". Only its contribution at impact.
HB
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Can You please direct me to clarity on the above quote?
Thanks.
I do want to note that AP has instructed that {the club is PULLED down with the left hand not pushed}
You do know that I have found NO physics contribution to the golf swing made by the "sweetspot". Only its contribution at impact.
HB
Sure...imagine if you stand the shaft up vertical and then move the hand "right" or "toward the plane line"...the shaft is going to "lay down" and the clubhead will "fall behind" and the face will "lay on the plane" more...all Swinging "moves"...
You can see it here....
Furyk drops from vertical to "on the inclined plane"...but if you are already on the inclined plane and your hands move "out and away from you" you can have the sweetspot falling underneath and shift the plane/plane line out to the right...plus since we are discussing Hitting...this can change the loading procedure unintentionally...
If you arch your left wrist like Palmer...it's probably gonna feel like a pull...Trevino said the same thing...but now question they have the right foream aligned to Hit and are Driving the sweetspot out rather than pulling...in my opinion...heck Furky "feels like" he swings the club like everybody else.....feel ain't real...real is real.
[You do know that I have found NO physics contribution to the golf swing made by the "sweetspot". Only its contribution at impact.
I have no idea what that means...can you explain?
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 01-01-2012 at 06:06 PM.
Sure...imagine if you stand the shaft up vertical and then move the hand "right" or "toward the plane line"...the shaft is going to "lay down" and the clubhead will "fall behind" and the face will "lay on the plane" more...all Swinging "moves"...
You can see it here....
Furyk drops from vertical to "on the inclined plane"...but if you are already on the inclined plane and your hands move "out and away from you" you can have the sweetspot falling underneath and shift the plane/plane line out to the right...plus since we are discussing Hitting...this can change the loading procedure unintentionally...
If you arch your left wrist like Palmer...it's probably gonna feel like a pull...Trevino said the same thing...but now question they have the right foream aligned to Hit and are Driving the sweetspot out rather than pulling...in my opinion...heck Furky "feels like" he swings the club like everybody else.....feel ain't real...real is real.
[You do know that I have found NO physics contribution to the golf swing made by the "sweetspot". Only its contribution at impact.
I have no idea what that means...can you explain?
thanks Bucket;
I have thought of AP as a swinger:
who , because of elbow at the side, and, and, because he has very little #3 accumulator(little #2 at impact) he has a broad sweeping release(big pully) the opposite extreme of TW.
AP said to pull down in his and Chris Schenkels 2 lp instruction album of the 60's
The "sweet spot" ref. is -see my Lab Thread below- I do not see any physics that are sweet spot controled. The left hand is controling for clubface and putting the face on the ball is a computer learned event. This subject deserves conversation because I believe "sweet spot" is not what it is thought to be or do.
who , because of elbow at the side, and, and, because he has very little #3 accumulator(little #2 at impact) he has a broad sweeping release(big pully) the opposite extreme of TW.
AP said to pull down in his and Chris Schenkels 2 lp instruction album of the 60's
The "sweet spot" ref. is -see my Lab Thread below- I do not see any physics that are sweet spot controled. The left hand is controling for clubface and putting the face on the ball is a computer learned event. This subject deserves conversation because I believe "sweet spot" is not what it is thought to be or do.
HB
If AP swings...then WHO Hits?
Haven't stayed up with the sweet spot thread....I'll have a look...I'm certainly no physics type...but seems to me the loading/stress on the shaft is different if the face is laying on the plane vs. if it is cutting the plane?
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