Can You please direct me to clarity on the above quote?
Thanks.
I do want to note that AP has instructed that {the club is PULLED down with the left hand not pushed}
You do know that I have found NO physics contribution to the golf swing made by the "sweetspot". Only its contribution at impact.
HB
Sure...imagine if you stand the shaft up vertical and then move the hand "right" or "toward the plane line"...the shaft is going to "lay down" and the clubhead will "fall behind" and the face will "lay on the plane" more...all Swinging "moves"...
You can see it here....
Furyk drops from vertical to "on the inclined plane"...but if you are already on the inclined plane and your hands move "out and away from you" you can have the sweetspot falling underneath and shift the plane/plane line out to the right...plus since we are discussing Hitting...this can change the loading procedure unintentionally...
If you arch your left wrist like Palmer...it's probably gonna feel like a pull...Trevino said the same thing...but now question they have the right foream aligned to Hit and are Driving the sweetspot out rather than pulling...in my opinion...heck Furky "feels like" he swings the club like everybody else.....feel ain't real...real is real.
[You do know that I have found NO physics contribution to the golf swing made by the "sweetspot". Only its contribution at impact.
I have no idea what that means...can you explain?
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Sure...imagine if you stand the shaft up vertical and then move the hand "right" or "toward the plane line"...the shaft is going to "lay down" and the clubhead will "fall behind" and the face will "lay on the plane" more...all Swinging "moves"...
You can see it here....
Furyk drops from vertical to "on the inclined plane"...but if you are already on the inclined plane and your hands move "out and away from you" you can have the sweetspot falling underneath and shift the plane/plane line out to the right...plus since we are discussing Hitting...this can change the loading procedure unintentionally...
If you arch your left wrist like Palmer...it's probably gonna feel like a pull...Trevino said the same thing...but now question they have the right foream aligned to Hit and are Driving the sweetspot out rather than pulling...in my opinion...heck Furky "feels like" he swings the club like everybody else.....feel ain't real...real is real.
[You do know that I have found NO physics contribution to the golf swing made by the "sweetspot". Only its contribution at impact.
I have no idea what that means...can you explain?
thanks Bucket;
I have thought of AP as a swinger:
who , because of elbow at the side, and, and, because he has very little #3 accumulator(little #2 at impact) he has a broad sweeping release(big pully) the opposite extreme of TW.
AP said to pull down in his and Chris Schenkels 2 lp instruction album of the 60's
The "sweet spot" ref. is -see my Lab Thread below- I do not see any physics that are sweet spot controled. The left hand is controling for clubface and putting the face on the ball is a computer learned event. This subject deserves conversation because I believe "sweet spot" is not what it is thought to be or do.
who , because of elbow at the side, and, and, because he has very little #3 accumulator(little #2 at impact) he has a broad sweeping release(big pully) the opposite extreme of TW.
AP said to pull down in his and Chris Schenkels 2 lp instruction album of the 60's
The "sweet spot" ref. is -see my Lab Thread below- I do not see any physics that are sweet spot controled. The left hand is controling for clubface and putting the face on the ball is a computer learned event. This subject deserves conversation because I believe "sweet spot" is not what it is thought to be or do.
HB
If AP swings...then WHO Hits?
Haven't stayed up with the sweet spot thread....I'll have a look...I'm certainly no physics type...but seems to me the loading/stress on the shaft is different if the face is laying on the plane vs. if it is cutting the plane?
You can "pull down" and then Thrust, Hit. Hitting with a Swingers Drag Loading in other words.
It isn't 12-1 Drive Loading no, but it is Hitting ..... Didn't our own Luke once tell us that he employs a Swingers Startdown?
4 Barrel as I understand things anyways.
When you see that delivery picture of Tiger, why do you guys all see that Tiger has to release thru hitting procedure? You think the only way to nail that ball at that position is ONLY thru a hitting procedure? I don't think so.
IMO Tiger can release that thru PA3. Why do you guys ain't even considering it at all? With PA3 you can accelerate up into peak clubhead speed by impact. At that position of Tiger, PA2's gonna give that PA3 a hard shove, pushing and helping the left wrist to release thru PA3 and accelerate clubhead speed into the ball. With Tiger's strength, he CAN accelerate and reach that peak clubhead speed thru rotationalpower/PA3-based release that's otherwise unreachable by someone of lesser strength and/or if tmain release mechanism is thru velocity power/PA2-based.
Are you guys really not even considering this, or are you avoiding it's discussion for whatever reason?
When you see that delivery picture of Tiger, why do you guys all see that Tiger has to release thru hitting procedure? You think the only way to nail that ball at that position is ONLY thru a hitting procedure? I don't think so.
IMO Tiger can release that thru PA3. Why do you guys ain't even considering it at all? With PA3 you can accelerate up into peak clubhead speed by impact. At that position of Tiger, PA2's gonna give that PA3 a hard shove, pushing and helping the left wrist to release thru PA3 and accelerate clubhead speed into the ball. With Tiger's strength, he CAN accelerate and reach that peak clubhead speed thru rotationalpower/PA3-based release that's otherwise unreachable by someone of lesser strength and/or if tmain release mechanism is thru velocity power/PA2-based.
Are you guys really not even considering this, or are you avoiding it's discussion for whatever reason?
Mr. Yoda?
NO avoidance here....Eldrick IS NOT Hitting....you can't hit with extreme pitch elbow....
You can talk all this stuff about "release #3 hard"...the point in putting that picture up...forget about all the accumulators etc.....this MAY work for Eldrick....but it sure does look like a WHOLE LOT OF STUFF has to happen in order for the clubface to get on the ball IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WITH A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE....not saying it can't be done...but sure does look like there would be an easier way...
Critique .... #4 pressure point ABSENT...no accumulators have fired IMO at this point...hands on left thigh....shoulders extremely closed...right toe squashing bugs/butts...spine will be forced to tilt back as a result of the extreme pitch/overlap...Eldrick is certainly ooozing with talent and hits balls 8 hours a day....but does this make sense for "regular" types?
Whoever's mandating these pictures would have a hard time convincing ME to swing this way...but looks like Eldrick is all in....maybe he's learning this from some hairlipped Perkinz waitress....who knows...."we all switch chicks & instructors when we ring the bell."
NO avoidance here....Eldrick IS NOT Hitting....you can't hit with extreme pitch elbow....
You can talk all this stuff about "release #3 hard"...the point in putting that picture up...forget about all the accumulators etc.....this MAY work for Eldrick....but it sure does look like a WHOLE LOT OF STUFF has to happen in order for the clubface to get on the ball IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WITH A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE....not saying it can't be done...but sure does look like there would be an easier way...
Critique .... #4 pressure point ABSENT...no accumulators have fired IMO at this point...hands on left thigh....shoulders extremely closed...right toe squashing bugs/butts...spine will be forced to tilt back as a result of the extreme pitch/overlap...Eldrick is certainly ooozing with talent and hits balls 8 hours a day....but does this make sense for "regular" types?
Whoever's mandating these pictures would have a hard time convincing ME to swing this way...but looks like Eldrick is all in....maybe he's learning this from some hairlipped Perkinz waitress....who knows...."we all switch chicks & instructors when we ring the bell."
If he's only about to start rolling PA3 at that point, yes it's almost impossible. But ain't he trying to release Before that, and will finally succeed or ACCELERATE at that position. So it's not as hard as it may seem. It's not as if he stopped at that position, he had momentum already before that.
NO avoidance here....Eldrick IS NOT Hitting....you can't hit with extreme pitch elbow....
You can hit from Pitch perhaps, maybe but why would you want to? Your Right Elbow would have to move back behind the hands very quickly during Release to pull it off. If your intention is to Push , Thrust why Align your Right Elbow in front of the Hands in a Pull position so late in the swing? You've also loaded along the wrong line, Reverse #2 pp against the Top instead of #1PP (and maybe #3pp, Direct Drive) against the Aft.
That said there are these Hitters who get late (ish) with some #2 Angle even but have their Right Elbows positioned to Push or Thrust. Lynn does this I believe. Ive got some photos somewhere. Drag then Drive Hitting. To the casual observer it can look a lot like a swing but it isn't. You've got to look at the Elbow position.
It can be a very elegant Hitting procedure .......or in Arnie's case brutish. That guy was strong. And long.
We're not talking 12-1 any more here ... this isn't Drive Loading. But it is Hitting. If you have 12-1 at one end of the spectrum and 12-2 at the other ......there's a lot of middle ground. But its best to master 12-1 and 2 before moving on . Start off compensation free and pure. Luke did when he re built his swing. Id say it turned out pretty good too..... Didn't take that long either.
Where is the book reference for this? I was thinking I could find it but couldn't...holla back!
Hey Bucket
Ya Im having some problems with that one too .... Ive got a bunch of posts I could point you to however.
In 2-M-3 below he mentions adding Pivot Thrust to Power Package Thrust for want of a longer club.... adding a Right Shoulder Throw to the Hitters Thrust etc. The bolded part confuses me ...what else is new.
Quote:
GENERATORS
2-M-3 MUSCLES Unless Pivot Thrust actually drives #4 Accumulator through Impact, its assignment during that interval is more clearly defined if considered as delivery, guidance and support of the Power Package, because it may or may not have contributed anything but motion during Delivery. The Pattern of the Stroke being used designates where Thrust is to originate and that is completely the player’s option. See 10-4 and 10-19. Pivot Thrust alone (2-K), forfeits Right Arm Thrust (6-B-1). Power Package Thrust alone (6-0), forfeits Momentum Transfer (2-K). Only with the driver must you use both Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust for the lack of a longer Club. In which case – to Pivot Thrust add a strong Pressure Point #4 thrust per 10-19-C. Or to Power Package Thrust add the Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4. Study 4-D-0, 6-B-2-B, and 10-4-D in this connection.
Here's some posts from Ted and Lynn that show Drag then Drive references.
Hybrid Mode
