OK me too generally speaking. Hitting and swinging are absolutely, positively different applications of thrust in Release. Pushing vs Pulling , right arm throw vs left wrist throw commonly, different directions of thrust even. But it is possible to Hit after a Swingers Startdown although Homer didn't like it much.
Is this the issue? Or are you saying the 3B Hitter who adds Pivot Thrust , a Right Shoulder Throw (making him 4B as I understand it) is adding a different Shoulder Throw than a Swinger would employ?
Back....define...."Swinger's Startdown".....then maybe we can talk....them are just words with not content....need some content.
Please support your case how a Hitter can use this? Not saying it can't be done....but I need more than "cuz so and so said so"....
10-19-C DRAG LOADING Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the “Swinger,” an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Points #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft – especially for Short Shot Power.
Develop an “Instant Acceleration” Hip Action (to the desired Hand-speed per 10-15-B) so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke sequence (6-M-1). See 2-K and 6-F-0. With or without Wristcock, always Drag (Pull 10-3-D) a swinging Club Down Plane – even with only Centrifugal (Angular) Momentum (2-K) See 10-23-C.
For Clubhead Throwaway prevention, monitor the pull of Centrifugal Force and Drag of the Lagging Clubhead.
Please support your case how a Hitter can use this? Not saying it can't be done....but I need more than "cuz so and so said so"....
Before we go any further . I need you to explain what you mean by the "I need more than cuz so and so said so". Is that in reference to the quotes from Lynn and Ted that I posted above?
Before we go any further . I need you to explain what you mean by the "I need more than cuz so and so said so". Is that in reference to the quotes from Lynn and Ted that I posted above?
Of the ten trillion usable component patterns alluded to Homer outlined only two in the later editions of the book. He chose brevity for obvious reasons. Two uncompensated basic procedures. In the various audio tapes however he covers more ground. Much more ground , given the questions of his students and what he termed the "mysterious vagueness about the differences between Hitting and Swinging".
Hitting and Swinging are not defined by Hinge Action , or Startup procedure or to the discussion at hand , Startdown procedure. They are defined by their respective physics in Release . Only. Simply put you can Push or you can Pull in Release but do not attempt do both, they are incompatible. You can Pull in Startdown and then Push in Release.
To your request: For book reference on Pivot Power used in combination with Right Triceps Hitting . See
2-M-4 BODY POWER .
Homer wasn't a big fan of it he being a proponent of the uncompensated swing. 10-19-C in combo with a right arm throw 10-20-B does requires compensations. But they are not incompatible , mutually exclusive .... like Simultaneous and Sequenced Release for instance. If there is such a thing as "switting" this would be a good example , the attempted use of mutually exclusive components .
Of the ten trillion usable component patterns alluded to Homer outlined only two in the later editions of the book. He chose brevity for obvious reasons. Two uncompensated basic procedures. In the various audio tapes however he covers more ground. Much more ground , given the questions of his students and what he termed the "mysterious vagueness about the differences between Hitting and Swinging".
Hitting and Swinging are not defined by Hinge Action , or Startup procedure or to the discussion at hand , Startdown procedure. They are defined by their respective physics in Release . Only. Simply put you can Push or you can Pull in Release but do not attempt do both, they are incompatible. You can Pull in Startdown and then Push in Release.
To your request: For book reference on Pivot Power used in combination with Right Triceps Hitting . See
2-M-4 BODY POWER .
Homer wasn't a big fan of it he being a proponent of the uncompensated swing. 10-19-C in combo with a right arm throw 10-20-B does requires compensations. But they are not incompatible , mutually exclusive .... like Simultaneous and Sequenced Release for instance. If there is such a thing as "switting" this would be a good example , the attempted use of mutually exclusive components .
Not trying to be a dingdong on this .... you gave me 2-M-4....
2-M-4 BODY POWER Inertia can hold the Left Arm against the chest while the Body Turn is accelerating it and Momentum can then sustain it and come out with the Feel of Left Arm Power. See 2-K. To clear the fog, consider Pivot Thrust as Body Power blasting the Swinger’s essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact. Or, as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitters loaded Power Package so the Clubhead can be endowed with Pivot Speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed. Study 6-B-4, 6-C-0, and 7-12 in this connection.
This don't distinguish much for me.....
It don't tell you HOW...the key word is "OR"....does the "OR" cause an inference to be drawn that the pivots for Hitting vs. Swinging are DIFFERENT? Or the same? If they are different then HOW?
You are also telling me that Hitting and Swinging are defined (sounds almost exclusively to me) by the "physics employed during release"....that sounds good but what does that mean and what does it look like? What components are different? Does the sweetspot necessarily move different? If so how?
Homer seems to define the distinguishing characteristics of the procedures in 6-H-(E&F)....some seem pretty much mutually exclusive in my mind....
E. Associate the following with “Hitting” (10-19-A). See 7-19.
1. Angled Hinging (7-10)
2. Simultaneous Release (4-D-0)
3. Grip Rotation (7-2)
4. Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-2)
5. Active Right Elbow (7-20)
6. Fixed Lag Pressure Point (“10-11-0-3”)
7. Radial Acceleration (10-19-A)
8. Axe Handle Technique (6-F)
9. Slow Start Down (6-B-1)
10. Angle of Approach (2-J-3)
F. Associate the following with “Swing” (10-19-C). See 7-19.
1. Horizontal Hinging (7-10)
2. Sequenced Release (4-D-0)
3. Plane Line Rotation (7-2)
4. Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A)
5. Active Left Wrist (7-20)
6. Rotating Lag pressure point (10-11-0-3)
7. Longitudinal Accerlation (10-19-C)
8. Rope Handle Technique (6-F)
9. Quick Start Down (10-23-C)
10. Arc of approach (2-J-3
Hybrid Mode
