Buck re 10, if possible can you go more in more depth on his release? Does he still replane it in Finish Swivel?
The "Foley" pattern is sorta a version of the S&T pattern IMO but more open with the shoulders and more cutty...
I see more #3 angle...lower hands...some version of "rotated shoulder turn"....one of the pieces is "no lifting of the arms off the rib cage"....so the left arm and the shoulder line will ideally match at the top....generally they will want to see the "butt on the wall and the head on the wall well thru follow thru"...keeping the torso's "inclination to the ground"...he will likely be trying to have the face "cutting the plane" through out...and the hands and hips tracing "concentric circles"...so you'll see him trying to get the handle low and around....much of the video is centered on where the hands "enter and exit" the torso measured by where the hands and club "cut" the bicep/humerous bone....so they will say the swing is "on plane through out" if all the "entrance and exits" are "mid-bicep"....they will try to have the club and hands exiting well underneath the shoulder with little rotation of the face ....minimal plane shifting....
My critique would be they are overriding the pulley with all that trigger delay and "taking the handle round the corner".
To the swivel question...they don't want none of that.
Id say Tigers swing is not as effortful as before , which I really like. If he's increased distance I don't think its due to brute force. Wonder if he's hitting his driver longer or is it just the irons? That be an indicator of a true power increase.
Im open to different patterns why not? Ill use anything that works. Id go left hand low for a driver shot if it worked better. But I do want to know the why and how etc.
So in that light, I admit to not understanding that Release... Why get to Pitch if you're not going to Release it fully on the other side of the ball with the roll of #3? Talking full power shots here ... everybody holds off some shorter shots. Maybe I should restate this question for clarity .
Can you release fully or attain your comfortable max power potential without replaining the shaft in Finish Swivel? There being implications to the Roll of the #3 Accumulator and potential implications to #2 uncocking rate pre impact if the whole system loses momentum, backs up.
If this sounds like I don't know my CFs vs CP's that'd be absolutely correct.
Some say that vertical swing planes give higher rate of closure of the face in the impact zone (I haven't been able to make my mind on this statement) so maybe the "release low and left" is an anti-hook feature ?
Some say that vertical swing planes give higher rate of closure of the face in the impact zone (I haven't been able to make my mind on this statement) so maybe the "release low and left" is an anti-hook feature ?
It's true. The more Vertical the Plane, the faster the closing ratio. But that's easily evident if comparing a nine iron to a driver. It's also important, to understand, when playing the ball aft a few inches that the plane must steepen to accommodate the Angle of Approach.
I don't think Tigers Plane Angle is the problem. But then, I don't think that Plane Angle is hardly ever the problem.
First- after watching tw sunday. I think he has a personality change and no longer has the old DETERMINATION to win.
Second- In the most recent pix- his shaft starts a forward bend almost at parallel to the line and his right wrist is almost flat at impact. Proly nothing but faux lag left. Can't push a string- first law of engineering.
But what do I know. He must have great instructors that got him to where he is.
It's true. The more Vertical the Plane, the faster the closing ratio. But that's easily evident if comparing a nine iron to a driver. It's also important, to understand, when playing the ball aft a few inches that the plane must steepen to accommodate the Angle of Approach.
I don't think Tigers Plane Angle is the problem. But then, I don't think that Plane Angle is hardly ever the problem.
Maybe....Eldrick's problem Sunday seemed to be all that freakin' shaft lean he had....they showed that junk on a swingvision and Eldrick had a WHOLE FREAKIN' BUNCH of shaft lean and Kostis about had to towel himself off....then Eldrick proceeded to air mail about four greens with short irons.....uh hello.....
Then he's trying to hold off the freakin' club and override the pulley...hits a shot and comes of shaking his freakin' wrist and it wasn't even in the rough....trigger delay DEATH...precisely my point on the original posting of this thread....
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Maybe....Eldrick's problem Sunday seemed to be all that freakin' shaft lean he had....they showed that junk on a swingvision and Eldrick had a WHOLE FREAKIN' BUNCH of shaft lean and Kostis about had to towel himself off....then Eldrick proceeded to air mail about four greens with short irons.....uh hello.....
Then he's trying to hold off the freakin' club and override the pulley...hits a shot and comes of shaking his freakin' wrist and it wasn't even in the rough....trigger delay DEATH...precisely my point on the original posting of this thread....
You're seeing something that I'm not catching. I admit that I limited my observation by focusing on Hinge Action because I thought that some of his errant shot may have been caused by swiveling - over or under. I don't think Hinging or Swiveling is his problem.
I watched every down the line slo-mo I could. I see a precision Dual Horz Hinge for all of his Iron shots. As far as I could tell, he was no better or worse than Phil when it came to Hinge action and pulley on Iron shots and they are both exceptionally elite players. Tiger hit a beautiful drive on 18. The slow mo again showed a perfect Hinge and Pulley.
As far as the pulley goes, if he's playing with that much shaft lean at Impact then he's playing the ball far enough aft that he's hardly entering the pulley before contact. I understand that doing so reduces the margin of error substantially because release point will affect clubface alignment.
His chipping and putting were way below his normal standard while Phil played at the very top of his ability. 11 stroke difference in 18 holes. Phil shredded Tiger. Tiger was obviously unraveled. He was losing it hole by hole and he knew he couldn't do anything about it. I give credit to Tiger, because if were him, after watching Phils' putt on 18, I'd be carried off the course on a stretcher.
I'd pay a thousand bucks to hear the next conversation between Tiger and Foley.
You're seeing something that I'm not catching. I admit that I limited my observation by focusing on Hinge Action because I thought that some of his errant shot may have been caused by swiveling - over or under. I don't think Hinging or Swiveling is his problem.
I watched every down the line slo-mo I could. I see a precision Dual Horz Hinge for all of his Iron shots. As far as I could tell, he was no better or worse than Phil when it came to Hinge action and pulley on Iron shots and they are both exceptionally elite players. Tiger hit a beautiful drive on 18. The slow mo again showed a perfect Hinge and Pulley.
As far as the pulley goes, if he's playing with that much shaft lean at Impact then he's playing the ball far enough aft that he's hardly entering the pulley before contact. I understand that doing so reduces the margin of error substantially because release point will affect clubface alignment.
His chipping and putting were way below his normal standard while Phil played at the very top of his ability. 11 stroke difference in 18 holes. Phil shredded Tiger. Tiger was obviously unraveled. He was losing it hole by hole and he knew he couldn't do anything about it. I give credit to Tiger, because if were him, after watching Phils' putt on 18, I'd be carried off the course on a stretcher.
I'd pay a thousand bucks to hear the next conversation between Tiger and Foley.
Distance control issues if you don't nail the appropriate amount of lean.....he air mailed a bunch of greens with short irons Sunday....
All that trigger delay and shaft lean is purty and all....but the ball is gonna go to far at times if your 9 iron turns into a 7 1/2 iron instead of an 8 iron that you expect....
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