Assuming these are not "flat-earth" questions, and you know enough physics to answer, does CF add club head speed over and above that provided by the right triceps in Hitting? If so, how?
G.O.L.F: Geometrical Oriented Linear Force.
Centripetal Force creates the geometry of the circle, Linear Force produces the speed.
Centripetal plus Centrifugal Force produces or assists in the release.
Centrifugal Force - that's the CF in TGM: Club head inertia resisting being moved in a circle. I don't have the book with me, but I think this is close. You can look up the definition.... Anyway, CF doesn't produce any swing speed. It isn't even applied on the club head. It is applied on the golfer from the club head.
Before the release, things are moving on a somewhat curved pattern already. Which also means that there is a CF/CF pair alive. You have an inert club head that is "trying" to move straight ahead and pulling and pushing anything that changes it's speed or direction, including the club shaft and the hands holding the shaft. Then you have a Centripetal Force that pulls inward (towards the swing center), adding a curve to the club head travel. Caught in the middle you have a cocked left wrist. The two forces pulling from each side of the hands will cause or contribute to uncocking of the right wrist and release.
The release will effectively increase the swing radius. The club will not pick up speed just because of this swing radius extension. Instead the handle will slow down dramatically unless......
.... unless the golfer resists the hands from slowing down. And in a good golf stroke, the golfer will resist how much CF slows down the hands - by producing a very strong linear force during the release interval. And that's what gives the added swing speed. Always linear force. And only linear force. The only thing that produces swing speed. It's on the front page.
The release works like a gear shift. Hands will move slower, yet the linear force applied is greater, adding leverage to the hitter's driving right arm and the pivot via left arm & extensior action.
..........The release will effectively increase the swing radius. The club will not pick up speed just because of this swing radius extension. Instead the handle will slow down dramatically unless......
.... unless the golfer resists the hands from slowing down. And in a good golf stroke, the golfer will resist how much CF slows down the hands - by producing a very strong linear force during the release interval. And that's what gives the added swing speed. Always linear force. And only linear force. The only thing that produces swing speed. It's on the front page.
The release works like a gear shift. Hands will move slower, yet the linear force applied is greater, adding leverage to the hitter's driving right arm and the pivot via left arm & extensior action.
(Red by Daryl)
I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing. Although Release will slow the Hands, the "Pulley" analogy explains the method by which Golfers can and do compensate.
No Linear Force in Hitting or Swinging. No need to manipulate or steer. The Ball can respond to an Angular Force as though it were struck by a Linear Force.
Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove CF exists with both Swingers and Hitters?
I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing. Although Release will slow the Hands, the "Pulley" analogy explains the method by which Golfers can and do compensate.
No Linear Force in Hitting or Swinging. No need to manipulate or steer. The Ball can respond to an Angular Force as though it were struck by a Linear Force.
Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove the existence of Centrifugal Force?
We do need some caution in analysis. Lag- extends to the last lagging component-the hands are in that chain- up through the power-package and into the pivot.
I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing. Although Release will slow the Hands, the "Pulley" analogy explains the method by which Golfers can and do compensate.
No Linear Force in Hitting or Swinging. No need to manipulate or steer. The Ball can respond to an Angular Force as though it were struck by a Linear Force.
Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove CF exists with both Swingers and Hitters?
Agree about "angular force" as far as impact is concerned. (It's an odd term though) But my response was in the context of how swing speed is produced during the release. It is linear force or some force that contains or leads to linear force, that produces swing speed. The physics' equivalent to TGM's linear force would be tangential force, btw. The force (components) that coincides 100% with the direction of the club head motion.
Steering and manipulation is not required to produce linear force.
COAM - I don't want to go there today. IT's a beast! PM me if you want a long version about COAM in golf. I have a link I can dig up.
I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing.
Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove CF exists with both Swingers and Hitters?
Here is some real disturbance,
(Berndt in blue)
"CF doesn't produce any swing speed... there is a CF/CF pair alive... Caught in the middle you have a cocked left wrist... The two forces pulling from each side of the hands will cause or contribute to uncocking of the right(sic) wrist and release."
So he says CF doesn't produce any swing speed, but does cause the wrist to uncock, which does produce swing speed!
Even more disturbing is the fact that he ignored my question about Hitting and gave a presentation on Swinging.
Finally, since CF is preempted by muscle in Hitting, then I personally consider it not only unused, but nonexistent as well.
"CF doesn't produce any swing speed... there is a CF/CF pair alive... Caught in the middle you have a cocked left wrist... The two forces pulling from each side of the hands will cause or contribute to uncocking of the right(sic) wrist and release."
So he says CF doesn't produce any swing speed, but does cause the wrist to uncock, which does produce swing speed!
Even more disturbing is the fact that he ignored my question about Hitting and gave a presentation on Swinging.
Finally, since CF is preempted by muscle in Hitting, then I personally consider it not only unused, but nonexistent as well.
LOL,
At Impact, the Left Wrist is Vertical, so the Left wrist is moving the Clubhead "Straight Up and Down"? Right? And how is that a forward motion?
"Magic of the Right Forearm": as CF causes the Left Arm to Blast off the Chest into it's own Orbit, the Right Arm begins Straightening. The Uncocking Left wrist merely accommodates/synchronizes Changes in the Triangle Geometry. HK Calls the #2 Accumulator "Velocity" because the Clubhead is overtaking. But it's not overtaking the Right Forearm Wedge (the right wrist remains Level and Bent) and it has no effect or change regarding "Rhythm" (RPM).
When Uncocking the Left Wrist causes Clubhead forward motion, then a bent left wrist at impact is inevitable.
Furthermore, as the Left Wrist Rolls past Low-Point, the Left Wrist continues to Uncock (The Left Wrist is Level at Impact) and is therefore going "Backwards" (Direction) until Full Extension.
I'm not sure whether I was the target here or not, but I don't see anything in there that I disagree with.
Originally Posted by Daryl
LOL,
At Impact, the Left Wrist is Vertical, so the Left wrist is moving the Clubhead "Straight Up and Down"? Right? And how is that a forward motion?
"Magic of the Right Forearm": as CF causes the Left Arm to Blast off the Chest into it's own Orbit, the Right Arm begins Straightening. The Uncocking Left wrist merely accommodates/synchronizes Changes in the Triangle Geometry. HK Calls the #2 Accumulator "Velocity" because the Clubhead is overtaking. But it's not overtaking the Right Forearm Wedge (the right wrist remains Level and Bent) and it has no effect or change regarding "Rhythm" (RPM).
When Uncocking the Left Wrist causes Clubhead forward motion, then a bent left wrist at impact is inevitable.
Furthermore, as the Left Wrist Rolls past Low-Point, the Left Wrist continues to Uncock (The Left Wrist is Level at Impact) and is therefore going "Backwards" (Direction) until Full Extension.
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