I've been talking about hand paths in the context of the Turned Shoulder Plane because it's the most common, but let's look at the Turning SP - the version with vertical moving arms. Homer says the hands trace a line on the ground INSIDE the base line, so in this case, the hand path NEVER lies in the Swing Plane, unlike the Turned SP in which the hands trace the baseline from the Top.
Or you could also see it as a constantly shifting plane. Up Up Up on the backswing and then WAY DOWN , "vertical drop " so to speak going the other way. Furyk style .
This was a popular procedure back in Homers day the era of "sky high hands" and covering the Base Line with lots of "extension" in startup. I used to do this . Homer called it Steering , but so long as the golfers returns to the ball in a manner consistent with 3 Dimensional Impact Alignments the ball does not know the difference and so he himself would teach the Turning Shoulder Plane to those who for what he termed "psychological reasons" just couldnt stop swinging like that... it was after all very common back then . Normally with a reverse C finish and lots of knee drive. Homer wouldnt fight it for too long , he would just improve it (vertical drop I imagine being a common improvement) as he reasoned the "game is supposed to be fun". Now if you had a more ambitious student ... that might be a different story.
BTW Furyk's dad when teaching young Jim the game placed a wooden ruler behind the ball and encouraged him to cover it on the way back. Thereby taking him off the elbow or shaft plane immediately and shifting his plane angle up up up continuously . Its more complicated mechanically than is necessary but assuming you can ingrain consistency it is just as effective in terms of impact dynamics.
Some folks would point to Furyk and say " Where's your plane angle now , Homer!". But the geometry is still there if you know where to look.
Homer might not have been perfect but he was a bleepin genius IMO.
Genius looks different too at different times during the day!
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Or you could also see it as a constantly shifting plane. Up Up Up on the backswing and then WAY DOWN , "vertical drop " so to speak going the other way. Furyk style .
This was a popular procedure back in Homers day the era of "sky high hands" and covering the Base Line with lots of "extension" in startup. I used to do this . Homer called it Steering , but so long as the golfers returns to the ball in a manner consistent with 3 Dimensional Impact Alignments the ball does not know the difference and so he himself would teach the Turning Shoulder Plane to those who for what he termed "psychological reasons" just couldnt stop swinging like that... it was after all very common back then . Normally with a reverse C finish and lots of knee drive. Homer wouldnt fight it for too long , he would just improve it (vertical drop I imagine being a common improvement) as he reasoned the "game is supposed to be fun". Now if you had a more ambitious student ... that might be a different story.
BTW Furyk's dad when teaching young Jim the game placed a wooden ruler behind the ball and encouraged him to cover it on the way back. Thereby taking him off the elbow or shaft plane immediately and shifting his plane angle up up up continuously . Its more complicated mechanically than is necessary but assuming you can ingrain consistency it is just as effective in terms of impact dynamics.
Some folks would point to Furyk and say " Where's your plane angle now , Homer!". But the geometry is still there if you know where to look.
Homer might not have been perfect but he was a bleepin genius IMO.
We're speaking about on-plane practice. I'm sure if I had said different things to Kev Carter, Jerry G and of course, Lynn, I would've gotten differing responses as they all coached me up to various degrees over the years. I simply didn't know enough to ask the right questions early on about on-plane mechanics.
When I started asking better questions, Daryl's Right Fore Arm Angle of Approach gave me countless insights into how to consistently stay on plane using that bucket drill. Now, a lot of what you OB, and Daryl, and what Lynn showed me is actually obvious but I was missing the vocabulary to even stutter correctly. I couldn't even begin.
I am going back to see Lynn and try to be a better student so I can get to become one of his junior instructors or something but "On Plane" is not negotiable as are flying wedges and other stuff.
As a classroom teacher, I always struggle with where to start kids in a lesson so all teachers everywhere, who care, always second-guess their lesson plans since none of us know what is really inside another person. Lynn knows so much about the golf swing! One minute he is teaching three PGA instructors how to really putt and chip for dough, and the next minute he is teaching me a basic grip and stance! He is amazing!
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
If they ranked above the Imperatives, wouldn't they be the Imperatives?
Not really, U have to know the difference.
Let me try an find an example:
Breathing is an essential
Walking the fairways is an imperative on the PGA tour.
The tour pro must be in good enough shape to have good and comfortable breathing or he/she will not be able to walk well.
The pro's must train himself to walk and play at a reasonable rate. If he can't he will loose strokes and have a poor round.
Not a great example but it will serve the point.
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