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Old 12-12-2012, 09:50 AM
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The Release Swivel starts at Release and ends at Both Arms Straight.

2 Choices. 2 very simple demonstrations.

Release with Extensor Action/Throw-out Swivel
Release with Extensor Action/Drive-out no-Swivel

Demonstration 1 - Swingers:

Right Arm only.
  1. Place your Right Elbow at your side, bend your Elbow 90 degrees with the Right Palm facing up.
  2. Lower the Palm while keeping the Elbow at your side. This is Extensor Action.

So, straightening the Right Arm by lowering the hand caused the Clubface to change its Alignment from On-Plane to Vertical for impact and the Right Hand became Aligned with the Elbow and Right Shoulder. Extensor Action without the #1 Accumulator.

So, the Release Swivel begins when the right arm begins to straighten (Release) and Ends when the Right Arm is Straight (Both Arms Straight).



Demonstration 2 - Hitters:

Right Arm only.
  1. Place your Right Elbow at your side, bend your Elbow 90 degrees with the Right Palm facing up.
  2. Straighten the Right Arm by pushing the Hand away from you (Don't lower the Right Hand).

So, straightening the Right Arm by pushing the Hand away caused the right Elbow to move into a straight Alignment with the Hand and Shoulder. Straightening the Elbow by using the #1 Accumulator does not change the Vertical Clubface Alignment. Extensor Action with the #1 Accumulator, no Swivel.


These demonstrations can be easily performed On-Plane with the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. I think that a lot of the confusion occurs while trying to understand and use Extensor Action. Extensor Action is not the #1 Accumulator however, it does use the same muscle group and they can be used simultaneously.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
The Release Swivel starts at Release and ends at Both Arms Straight.

2 Choices. 2 very simple demonstrations.

Release with Extensor Action/Throw-out Swivel
Release with Extensor Action/Drive-out no-Swivel

Demonstration 1 - Swingers:

Right Arm only.
  1. Place your Right Elbow at your side, bend your Elbow 90 degrees with the Right Palm facing up.
  2. Lower the Palm while keeping the Elbow at your side. This is Extensor Action.

So, straightening the Right Arm by lowering the hand caused the Clubface to change its Alignment from On-Plane to Vertical for impact and the Right Hand became Aligned with the Elbow and Right Shoulder. Extensor Action without the #1 Accumulator.

So, the Release Swivel begins when the right arm begins to straighten (Release) and Ends when the Right Arm is Straight (Both Arms Straight).



Demonstration 2 - Hitters:

Right Arm only.
  1. Place your Right Elbow at your side, bend your Elbow 90 degrees with the Right Palm facing up.
  2. Straighten the Right Arm by pushing the Hand away from you (Don't lower the Right Hand).

So, straightening the Right Arm by pushing the Hand away caused the right Elbow to move into a straight Alignment with the Hand and Shoulder. Straightening the Elbow by using the #1 Accumulator does not change the Vertical Clubface Alignment. Extensor Action with the #1 Accumulator, no Swivel.


These demonstrations can be easily performed On-Plane with the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. I think that a lot of the confusion occurs while trying to understand and use Extensor Action. Extensor Action is not the #1 Accumulator however, it does use the same muscle group and they can be used simultaneously.
Thanks Daryl
I now realize that we have much different geometry.
my left stays flat, wertical and moveing from cocked to uncocked-release to both arms straight.
My right stays vertical, level and bent and only releases bent as necessary after impact.
This, for me , is dual horizontal hinge.
The bones in my forearms do not change their relative position, release to arms streight.
We therefore have "differences" in extensor action application.
I thing I am OK with what HK wrote.

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Old 12-12-2012, 12:24 PM
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Thanks Daryl
I now realize that we have much different geometry.
my left stays flat, wertical and moveing from cocked to uncocked-release to both arms straight.
My right stays vertical, level and bent and only releases bent as necessary after impact.
This, for me , is dual horizontal hinge.
The bones in my forearms do not change their relative position, release to arms streight.
We therefore have "differences" in extensor action application.
I thing I am OK with what HK wrote.

HB
Well, Vertical to the ground at Impact, for the Left Wrist, is also Vertical to the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock. But for the Right Forearm Wedge, Vertical to the Ground is not the same as Vertical to the Plane . Both Wedges are Vertical to their respective Planes at Impact. That puts them at 90 degrees to each other.

It doesn't sound like your Right Forearm Wedge is On-Plane at Impact.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:55 PM
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Well, Vertical to the ground at Impact, for the Left Wrist, is also Vertical to the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock. But for the Right Forearm Wedge, Vertical to the Ground is not the same as Vertical to the Plane . Both Wedges are Vertical to their respective Planes at Impact. That puts them at 90 degrees to each other.

It doesn't sound like your Right Forearm Wedge is On-Plane at Impact.
I "fly" the wedge down the plane. Like a flying wing. Because everything is turning about a remote center ("head") my elbow is moving -on plane - an my shoulder is moving and supporting the hands.

That is what I do- may not work for others.

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Old 12-12-2012, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
I "fly" the wedge down the plane. Like a flying wing. Because everything is turning about a remote center ("head") my elbow is moving -on plane - an my shoulder is moving and supporting the hands.

That is what I do- may not work for others.

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Ok. I'm just trying to get this clear in my head.

Impact:

Right Wrist is Bent
Right Wrist is Level
#3 PP and Elbow are On Plane
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Ok. I'm just trying to get this clear in my head.

Impact:

Right Wrist is Bent
Right Wrist is Level
#3 PP and Elbow are On Plane
Yup, gota have correct shoulder back and down, correct pitch in elbow and my machine is ok for me. I also have to work on balance a turn that stays around the "head" or shirt tag because without essentials the machine getas out of wack ---- and I just celebrated 12:12:12:12:12:12 here on the east coast----for me pp#3 feel is rotating, on plane, all the way to low point
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Very instructive and highly useful!
Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
The Release Swivel starts at Release and ends at Both Arms Straight.

2 Choices. 2 very simple demonstrations.

Release with Extensor Action/Throw-out Swivel
Release with Extensor Action/Drive-out no-Swivel

Demonstration 1 - Swingers:

Right Arm only.
  1. Place your Right Elbow at your side, bend your Elbow 90 degrees with the Right Palm facing up.
  2. Lower the Palm while keeping the Elbow at your side. This is Extensor Action.

So, straightening the Right Arm by lowering the hand caused the Clubface to change its Alignment from On-Plane to Vertical for impact and the Right Hand became Aligned with the Elbow and Right Shoulder. Extensor Action without the #1 Accumulator.

So, the Release Swivel begins when the right arm begins to straighten (Release) and Ends when the Right Arm is Straight (Both Arms Straight).



Demonstration 2 - Hitters:

Right Arm only.
  1. Place your Right Elbow at your side, bend your Elbow 90 degrees with the Right Palm facing up.
  2. Straighten the Right Arm by pushing the Hand away from you (Don't lower the Right Hand).

So, straightening the Right Arm by pushing the Hand away caused the right Elbow to move into a straight Alignment with the Hand and Shoulder. Straightening the Elbow by using the #1 Accumulator does not change the Vertical Clubface Alignment. Extensor Action with the #1 Accumulator, no Swivel.


These demonstrations can be easily performed On-Plane with the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. I think that a lot of the confusion occurs while trying to understand and use Extensor Action. Extensor Action is not the #1 Accumulator however, it does use the same muscle group and they can be used simultaneously.
Thanks Daryl!

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Old 12-13-2012, 08:35 AM
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I should have asked U about your application of extensor action- I will below


Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
The Release Swivel starts at Release and ends at Both Arms Straight.

2 Choices. 2 very simple demonstrations.

Release with Extensor Action/Throw-out Swivel
Release with Extensor Action/Drive-out no-Swivel

Demonstration 1 - Swingers:

Right Arm only.
  1. Place your Right Elbow at your side, bend your Elbow 90 degrees with the Right Palm facing up.
  2. Lower the Palm while keeping the Elbow at your side. This is Extensor Action.

So, straightening the Right Arm by lowering the hand caused the Clubface to change its Alignment from On-Plane to Vertical for impact and the Right Hand became Aligned with the Elbow and Right Shoulder. Extensor Action without the #1 Accumulator.

So, the Release Swivel begins when the right arm begins to straighten (Release) and Ends when the Right Arm is Straight (Both Arms Straight).



Demonstration 2 - Hitters:

Right Arm only.
  1. Place your Right Elbow at your side, bend your Elbow 90 degrees with the Right Palm facing up.
  2. Straighten the Right Arm by pushing the Hand away from you (Don't lower the Right Hand).

So, straightening the Right Arm by pushing the Hand away caused the right Elbow to move into a straight Alignment with the Hand and Shoulder. Straightening the Elbow by using the #1 Accumulator does not change the Vertical Clubface Alignment. Extensor Action with the #1 Accumulator, no Swivel.


These demonstrations can be easily performed On-Plane with the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. I think that a lot of the confusion occurs while trying to understand and use Extensor Action. Extensor Action is not the #1 Accumulator however, it does use the same muscle group and they can be used simultaneously.
2 muscle groups:
Experiment-
Sit in a desk chair - piush away from the desk with palms against edge of desk fingers on top, thumbs inward. pushing tends to roll the elbows out- ccw right cw left.
--push away from the desk but with fingers under edge of desk, thumbs up/out. pushing tends to roll elbows in- cw right , ccw left.

two different muscle sections of tricept used?? have you noticed this and if so - which way do you do Extensor action and why??

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Old 12-13-2012, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
2 muscle groups:
Experiment-
Sit in a desk chair - piush away from the desk with palms against edge of desk fingers on top, thumbs inward. pushing tends to roll the elbows out- ccw right cw left.
--push away from the desk but with fingers under edge of desk, thumbs up/out. pushing tends to roll elbows in- cw right , ccw left.

two different muscle sections of tricept used?? have you noticed this and if so - which way do you do Extensor action and why??

HB
Yes, that's almost exactly what I'm talking about. The #1 Accumulator is straightening the Elbow while the Hand moves Straight Away from the Right Shoulder as though it were tracing a straight line from the Right Shoulder.

Extensor Action is the Right Hand moving Away while keeping the Elbow checked.

This, I think is already agreed by many.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:34 AM
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Yes, that's almost exactly what I'm talking about. The #1 Accumulator is straightening the Elbow while the Hand moves Straight Away from the Right Shoulder as though it were tracing a straight line from the Right Shoulder.

Extensor Action is the Right Hand moving Away while keeping the Elbow checked.

This, I think is already agreed by many.
Still not understanding.

do U mean by checked-Elbow in to side, cw right , or ???

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