Aiming point is the "physics of delivery paths" . . . so what the heck does that mean? well basically it's how you can control when the club "throws out" . . . it's a personal thing really . . and it can have a lot to do with the length of the club . . . for instance I see a lot of "machinist" guys who are into the machine big time (LIKE ME!!!) who have this affection for "accumulator lag" . . . that Hogan laggy look . . . there is a "picture of what's happening" and then there is a procedure . . . I can promise you ben hogan wasn't doing any "holding on" . . .he set a lot of angle but he DUMPED it . . . slung it out of there . . . this is why it is a personal deal . . . you may be a cat that "dumps it" to the point where you have "shot your proverbial load" early . . .so you may need to have a more "forward" aiming point . . . or you could be a cat like me . . . who watch Ben Doyle's tapes . . . tried to get his right elbow infront of his navel and NEVER DUMPED ANYTHING . . . something you can experiment with . . . hard to say without knowing what you do . . . people want to achieve a leaning shaft . . . I'm all for that . . .but WHAT IS THE CORRECT AMOUNT? Do you want tons of shaft lean with a 3 iron? As the clubs get longer generally you are moving your aiming point back . . .to account for the amount of time it takes for them to get "in line". So it's kind of about when you allow the club to begin the process of "getting in line" . . . you want to extend the radius . . . but you want to do it in a way that allows you to bring speed about consistently and on plane at the proper time to deliver the club in an arc that doesn't disturb low point that you can control . . . everybody wants this snap release . . . is that always the ideal? Is that going to bring about the best results for YOU . . . CONSISTENTLY? For me I'm not sure it is ideal . . . I had my aiming point soooo far forward that the club never really had a chance to overtake and my hands get pulled out over the plane with the clubhead too under . . . balls can go EVERYWHERE . . . watch what you wish for . . .
And your mad TGM skills.
With you (Mike O), Daryl, OB, Kevin, Bam Bam, Ed Z, Bernt, Gerry, it is amazing.
Your point (and Daryl's) about release and consistency is really the stuff of at least 5 new threads, I think.
I realized the other day that I am going to get all the distance I need out of these ZB's Kevin turned me on to. Well, ok. Now the real problem is shooting par or better. I think TGM has about 20 gears in its box and I have only used two of them so far.
I mean look at LYNN, TED and JEFF. Excellent golfers, different paradigms, strong teachers, too. I think we are talking about the differences between Michelangelo, Da Vinci, and Tintoretto. They all see the curves of human beings and nature but they all work with those curves to different and significant effects.
We all feel the LAG, and see the Plane. Those are our tools. What are our goals?
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
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My goal is just to play again, and I may have to become a swinger to do it!
Kevin
You'll be such a good teaching pro, learning more about the swing, that you'll need to recruit other teaching pros from, uhmmm, Philadelphia for summer help!!! But by then, you'll be the only AI/LBG certified guy in the Great Plains!
Can my territory be Iowa? WE will have to go to Rube's Steakhouse in Montour!
LOL!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
You'll be such a good teaching pro, learning more about the swing, that you'll need to recruit other teaching pros from, uhmmm, Philadelphia for summer help!!! But by then, you'll be the only AI/LBG certified guy in the Great Plains!
Can my territory be Iowa? WE will have to go to Rube's Steakhouse in Montour!
LOL!
ICT
LOL - I can't wait for your next visit!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
I place my confidence in Mr. Buckets answer back at #7. It is part of power package delivery. Beyond that I become clueless. I have experimented with sliding point +/- on the plane line etc. and all just leave me more confused. My current use is not a point at all but a feel for the location I need to get my hands for release. And i know when its wrong but I also find it VERY hard to fix. It involves more than just hitting that hand location a little more forward or aft. may even tie into hands controled pivot????
HB
SURE . . 100% tied to hand controlled pivot . . . as you say above it can be done by "feel" . . . Mr. Kelley actually advised the player to look at the point rather than the ball . . . but this is your "triggering point" or "directing point" to get the club to throw out at the right TIME . . . it IS A TIMING THING . . . each club will line up at a different rate due to the length of the shaft . . . I "experimented" with the aiming point too far forward . . too much shaft lean . . .too much accumulator lag that the accumulators never "dumped" and the club never "threw out" . . . so particularly with the driver I've had to feel that the aiming point is WAAAAAAAY back of the ball . . . that is the danger of some interpretations of TGM/lag/snap release/accumulator lag/sergio&hogan look . . . it may look sexy . . but is it efficient for your game . . . and even though it looks a certain way . . .is it really that "certain way" . . . what you are seeing is happening . . . but does that mean you should MAKE it happen??? Are they trying to make the "look" happen or is the look a result of something else they do?
The more I look at Aiming Point concept the less sense it makes.
Impact fix hand location is the closest that makes any sense, but is not satisfactory. Trying to look at two things at the same time makes no sense at all and looking at something other than the ball makes even less.
OK, let’s define it as the hand position for trigger. The relationships of hand position at trigger and at impact are separated by the pulley and the pulley size is determined by, hand speed, release type and club.
Now I have just defined aiming point in terms that no one else has ever ventured into but all considered in makes as much or more geometrical sense.
I don’t see that this violates anything HK wrote.
DOES IT??
Again, I could be all wrong. So to save the world from another bad concept .....?
at 3:10-3:20 min. where the dowel strikes the ground.
This is it!!!
This is an important post- for me.
It is MY post #313.
That has 3 points of significance- not in an order of importance- definitely not in an order of importance:
a. #313- Donald Ducks license plate #
b. 313 AD - The year Constantine declared Christianity the religion of the Holy Roman Empire.
c. The post after my #312 where I FINALY absorbed the AIMING POINT concept. 6-E-2.
Let’s only comment on c. - The more I realize that this is not new, Yoda has demonstrated it numerous times.
It is a defining point on the pulley.
The point where the "dump" starts down the shaft. 12-3-0, 26 and 30.
I think I can use it along with Impact hand position to think geometrically how to coordinate hand speed, club length and "pulley" size.
This is an important post- for me.
It is MY post #313.
That has 3 points of significance- not in an order of importance- definitely not in an order of importance:
a. #313- Donald Ducks license plate #
b. 313 AD - The year Constantine declared Christianity the religion of the Holy Roman Empire.
c. The post after my #312 where I FINALY absorbed the AIMING POINT concept. 6-E-2.
Let’s only comment on c. - The more I realize that this is not new, Yoda has demonstrated it numerous times.
It is a defining point on the pulley.
The point where the "dump" starts down the shaft. 12-3-0, 26 and 30.
I think I can use it along with Impact hand position to think geometrically how to coordinate hand speed, club length and "pulley" size.
Thanks again Yoda and HK.
The Bear
The point where the "dump" occurs? Wow! Maybe? That would be then the same point where the vertically un-cocking left wrist fires or it's thumb snaps down? When I play my best golf (not saying much as it is a 78 so far), I know where my (Johnny Miller) brush point starts (where the Aim Point is???) and I slide the ball 2 inches or so back. Recall that I am a lousy driver but I can stick my wedges and short irons!
And Mr. Bucket, am I relieved to hear you say that your Aim Point for the driver is 2 feet back or so! I have been simply firing my right arm straight down from shoulder level from Standard Address and hitting the driver well for a couple weeks now. I think I have a very slow swing.
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
One additional point. Along with the normally discussed alignments there is . The LFW shall have the left wrist LEVEL at impact/low point. Along with rhythm aiming point is an important factor (for me) and must be planned and requires the adjustment and coordination of most other components so that the left wrist is level at impact.
Not only down but the "relative rate of down" is effected by the left wrist residual cock.
Also- Impact hands location is three dimensional. requireing Both, considerations of position and direction.
Just my opinion/personal observation.
Do you have another method of controlling left wristcock for level at impact?
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