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Old 08-02-2012, 01:46 PM
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I am providing a direct quote:

Chapter #1, Section L -The Machine Concept #9 of the 21 machine requirements.

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Yes. from the dynamics of circlular motin/angular motion we get cf


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Does that cf add power over and above that from the right triceps in Hitting?
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:42 PM
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Does that cf add power over and above that from the right triceps in Hitting?
CF never adds power. Not even in golf.
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Old 08-02-2012, 04:03 PM
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CF never adds power. Not even in golf.
Not even if it uncocks the left wrist in a Swing???
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Old 08-02-2012, 04:32 PM
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CF never adds power. Not even in golf.
I would agree in that it does no work. But it does change the energy vector. Explaining why that is important to golf is a place we do not want to go I would guess?
Maybe because very few golfers can run 100 mph? Or golf carts go that fast.
Wow, a 100+ mph golf cart. Just put an sweet spot on the front bumper, tee it high and steer (normaly bad-good here). Tough to shape shots though.


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Old 08-02-2012, 05:31 PM
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I would agree in that it does no work. But it does change the energy vector. Explaining why that is important to golf is a place we do not want to go I would guess?
Maybe because very few golfers can run 100 mph? Or golf carts go that fast.
Wow, a 100+ mph golf cart. Just put an sweet spot on the front bumper, tee it high and steer (normaly bad-good here). Tough to shape shots though.


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I think you just invented the concept of O.L.F. Only Linear Force. Nice touch to eliminate the geometry of the circle.

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Old 08-02-2012, 05:56 PM
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CF never adds power. Not even in golf.
Assuming these are not "flat-earth" questions, and you know enough physics to answer, does CF add club head speed over and above that provided by the right triceps in Hitting? If so, how?
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:34 PM
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Assuming these are not "flat-earth" questions, and you know enough physics to answer, does CF add club head speed over and above that provided by the right triceps in Hitting? If so, how?
G.O.L.F: Geometrical Oriented Linear Force.

Centripetal Force creates the geometry of the circle, Linear Force produces the speed.

Centripetal plus Centrifugal Force produces or assists in the release.

Centrifugal Force - that's the CF in TGM: Club head inertia resisting being moved in a circle. I don't have the book with me, but I think this is close. You can look up the definition.... Anyway, CF doesn't produce any swing speed. It isn't even applied on the club head. It is applied on the golfer from the club head.

Before the release, things are moving on a somewhat curved pattern already. Which also means that there is a CF/CF pair alive. You have an inert club head that is "trying" to move straight ahead and pulling and pushing anything that changes it's speed or direction, including the club shaft and the hands holding the shaft. Then you have a Centripetal Force that pulls inward (towards the swing center), adding a curve to the club head travel. Caught in the middle you have a cocked left wrist. The two forces pulling from each side of the hands will cause or contribute to uncocking of the right wrist and release.

The release will effectively increase the swing radius. The club will not pick up speed just because of this swing radius extension. Instead the handle will slow down dramatically unless......

.... unless the golfer resists the hands from slowing down. And in a good golf stroke, the golfer will resist how much CF slows down the hands - by producing a very strong linear force during the release interval. And that's what gives the added swing speed. Always linear force. And only linear force. The only thing that produces swing speed. It's on the front page.

The release works like a gear shift. Hands will move slower, yet the linear force applied is greater, adding leverage to the hitter's driving right arm and the pivot via left arm & extensior action.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
G.O.L.F: Geometrical Oriented Linear Force.

..........The release will effectively increase the swing radius. The club will not pick up speed just because of this swing radius extension. Instead the handle will slow down dramatically unless......

.... unless the golfer resists the hands from slowing down. And in a good golf stroke, the golfer will resist how much CF slows down the hands - by producing a very strong linear force during the release interval. And that's what gives the added swing speed. Always linear force. And only linear force. The only thing that produces swing speed. It's on the front page.

The release works like a gear shift. Hands will move slower, yet the linear force applied is greater, adding leverage to the hitter's driving right arm and the pivot via left arm & extensior action.
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I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing. Although Release will slow the Hands, the "Pulley" analogy explains the method by which Golfers can and do compensate.

No Linear Force in Hitting or Swinging. No need to manipulate or steer. The Ball can respond to an Angular Force as though it were struck by a Linear Force.

Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove CF exists with both Swingers and Hitters?
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
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I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing. Although Release will slow the Hands, the "Pulley" analogy explains the method by which Golfers can and do compensate.

No Linear Force in Hitting or Swinging. No need to manipulate or steer. The Ball can respond to an Angular Force as though it were struck by a Linear Force.

Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove the existence of Centrifugal Force?

We do need some caution in analysis. Lag- extends to the last lagging component-the hands are in that chain- up through the power-package and into the pivot.

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Old 08-03-2012, 11:29 AM
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Just grip and rip it ..... sheeez! You tgm guys are nuts.

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