[golfbulldog]

I have to say golfbulldog i am really on the other end of the spectrum than you on this. Really don't get this comment 'but in a swinger the pivot is not driving the lag pressure'

To let you know where i'm coming from: in my case (i'm a swinger also) my pivot certainly does a hell of a lot more than get things started. I feel like it works hard all the way through the ball, anything else and i'm taking the first plane to throw away city.

I swing to end and release pp #4 fairly deep into the downswing. The hands have to travel along way to get their with pp #4 intact, for me thats a lot of pivot work. Even when pp #4 is released theirs still lots of work going on. When i have problems with throwaway i'll often work on my pivot and maintaining the load in my feet from the start of the downswing right through impact. I mean when your dragging a wet mop, does it feel effortless to you?

Sure doesn't to me.

Don't misunderstand me , Danny - when you drive ( active ) the power package with your pivot deep into downswing ... i think we both agree that this is alot of work done by pivot power.... but once acc 4 is released and the power package is flung into orbit ... is the movement of the pivot continuing to drive the power package OR is the continuing movement of the pivot merely sustaining the lag pressure?

I am not saying that the pivot quits movement after acc 4 release... merely that the main stage rocket has done its job and the pivot is just keeping up and not accelerating the power package anymore....

Maybe this is just a feel... but it seems to work and produce good results. Remember that the pivot does slow down during the downswing through impact... it may feel like it is doing work but then the mop is extended from your body and not tucked in close as it is at the top of the downswing.

I am not advocating quitting but once accumulator 4 is no longer across your chest.... can the pivot drive the power package as effectively???