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Daryl

I value your insights given your years of commitment to the book (s). Was it eight sixth editions that you have burned through? I will take some time to ponder all of this with my solitary 6th in hand. Wish we could hash it out on a range somewhere.

I must admit that I dont understand how you can have a flat ish swing plane with only an inch or two of right elbow bend.

Ill do your drills when I get a chance to without everyone here wondering what the heck Im doing. Here is a drill for your consideration too:

Do you want angled or horizontal......ok horizontal, not trying to out you as a hitter just yet. Ill start at the very beginning for those following along at home.
Standing erect with your left arm held out straight ahead and level to the ground on a horizontal plane, your left arm forming a 90 degree angle at the shoulders. Your open left palm held vertical to the ground. Holding the shoulders still (zero out the pivot), move your left arm across your chest to about a 45 degree angle with the shoulders while maintaining the left palm vertical to the ground. Drop the left arm down onto the inclined plane while maintaining the left palms vertical to the ground alignment. (This is the check for Horizontal Hinging Alignment compliance at various places in startup BTW). Now place your right hand on your left wrist in a quasi golf like fashion. With the Right Forearm now in control of the left arm, the left arm inert, fan the right arm back to its 90 degree or Address position on the inclined plane. Go back and forth between Address and 45 degrees. The degree of fanning vs bending in the right arm, when assuming a real golf grip, is to some degree a function of the right elbow position. I think. Please advise.

Now go back to the 45 degree position again with the right hand on the left wrist , horizontal hinge alignment etc and from there Bend the Right Elbow and allow the left arm to rise to right shoulder height (Top) with the shoulder turn still zeroed out. Do this pump action style to feel the "Pickup", if you will.

So fanning and bending but when morphed in some manner forming a blended motion/action that takes the bent and frozen right wrist to Top. If you do this and then add a shoulder turn after the hands reach Top the right shoulder will take the hands back or "in". The "in" of "back, up and in", Three Dimensional Startup. Pickup for "in", Fan for "back", Shoulder turn for "in".

Let me know what you think. Not sure if this is correct or not. This is something I have been wondering about. Hence my appeal to Bambam and Yoda for more information regarding their post above. Not sure how this jibes with your notes about Plane Angles at Top and in Release etc. Im wondering if by adjusting the 45 degree angle up and down you are also adjusting the plane angle? The steeper the plane the more divergent the direction of the hands vs the shoulders assuming a flat back to the turned shoulder plane move anyways.

Cheers and feel free to rip this to shreds if you wish. This is from the incubator. But like I said, I just have to know how to get this done right. Im good for a while and then it goes away. Stopping at Top seems to help me out when I can do it.

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