LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Bio Mechanics Thread: Bio Mechanics View Single Post #118 08-10-2009, 12:02 AM bioengine Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 62 Originally Posted by Daryl Whoa, I'm not criticizing Bio-Mechanics. Far from it. I look forward to learning about your findings. I agree that the Swing should be from the "Ground Up". Completely. My criticisms are with your belief that TGM is not about Zone 1 (the Pivot) and other of your misrepresentations of TGM concepts. Additionally you fail to acknowledge that different Delivery Paths are supported by different Pivots. Incompatibility. Circle Path and Straight Line Path do not use the same Pivot. I think that Bio-Mechanics should account for the Players choice. But your quest to find "more Power" disregards much of the subtlety that different Pivots provide. And Zero Pivot is an option. Daryl, There could be a communication break down here somewhere. TGM I'm not say that TGM doesn't employ zone 1 first. Homer says it in black and white totally agree with him. And really like how he mentions in the book from the ground up. Now that amazes me how he worked it out and homer was ahead of his time. I wish Homer was around today cause I would have love to worked with him and done research with him. TGM is an amazing book and has some great stuff. Problem is, in writing, things can come across wrong and if I have I apologise to you and everyone. To try and communicate biomechanics and movement patterns in writing is very difficult. If i could speak verbally, I can do it on my ear and you would develop a very good understanding quickly. To do this in writing is hard one and is very hard to describe something to someone in a way, so they can develop a picture of what I'm speaking about. Not easy. How long did it take you to develop an understanding of TGM, did you grasp it first time you picked the book up or was it a continually studies of the book and attedning education seminars. Same with biomecahnics it will take you a while to develop a basic understanding. In golf we need physics and geometry. To do we achieve physics in golf. How does physics work in human motion or how does the human body move in. I'm trying to explain how the body moves naturally and how the body wants to create speed. Once people understand this, then we can move onto, how do we train movement patterns and get the body to move the way it wants to naturally or designed to move to create speed. Daryl lets remove the golf club from our hands, lets remove plane lines, angles and remove the club. Lets look at how the body moves then lets add the club later. What we must understand is, How the body wants to move and is designed to move. Ask a doctor he can explain how the hips turn and shoulders turn. I could never work out why the doctor said to me your back shouldn't hurt when you play golf. I know why now. Hitting or swinging the body moves the same way. It may appear different with geometry added. With out geometry same moves. Hips and shoulder turn are the same motion in hitting or swinging. When you remove the geometry. What I'm trying to do is educate people how to create the movement patterns so you can apply TGM to it. How does a pivot function, how do you create a pivot. What creates hip rotation and hip rotational speed. What creates shoulder rotations and upper body speed. This is what I have been trying to educate people about. How do we create the above and how can we train the body to do it. Working on plane lines on the practice fairway is going to train movement patterns, that's geometry. Also to identify what the body is doing you have to measure the bodies movement patterns. Hips speeds,upper body speeds and arms speed. Muscular loading, trunk stability ( If your turning around the axis of the spine) is the hips moving perpendicular to the spine are the shoulders doing the same. If you have too much right lateral bending of the spine this effects your geometry, if the hips are sliding too much along the target line effects your geometry. How can we apply geometry effectively if we can't move our bodies effectively in the first place. Would it be fair to say that with some peoples golf swing issue,are from poor movement patterns. Which is effecting the way they are able to apply their geometry. Maybe it's not homers work is the problem, maybe it's peoples movement patterns which prevent them applying TGM effectively. Food for some thought Last edited by bioengine : 08-10-2009 at 01:41 AM. bioengine View Public Profile Send a private message to bioengine Find all posts by bioengine