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Old 08-10-2009, 05:20 AM
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Cause v.s Effect
Originally Posted by bioengine View Post
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I'm trying to explain how the body moves naturally and how the body wants to create speed.
Once people understand this, then we can move onto, how do we train movement patterns and get the body to move the way it wants to naturally or designed to move to create speed.

Daryl lets remove the golf club from our hands, lets remove plane lines, angles and remove the club.
Lets look at how the body moves then lets add the club later.

What we must understand is, How the body wants to move and is designed to move.
Ask a doctor he can explain how the hips turn and shoulders turn.

I could never work out why the doctor said to me your back shouldn't hurt when you play golf. I know why now.

Hitting or swinging the body moves the same way. It may appear different with geometry added. With out geometry same moves.
Hips and shoulder turn are the same motion in hitting or swinging. When you remove the geometry.

What I'm trying to do is educate people how to create the movement patterns so you can apply TGM to it.
How does a pivot function, how do you create a pivot.
What creates hip rotation and hip rotational speed.
What creates shoulder rotations and upper body speed.
This is what I have been trying to educate people about. How do we create the above and how can we train the body to do it.

Working on plane lines on the practice fairway is going to train movement patterns, that's geometry.

Also to identify what the body is doing you have to measure the bodies movement patterns.
Hips speeds,upper body speeds and arms speed. Muscular loading, trunk stability ( If your turning around the axis of the spine) is the hips moving perpendicular to the spine are the shoulders doing the same.

If you have too much right lateral bending of the spine this effects your geometry, if the hips are sliding too much along the target line effects your geometry.

How can we apply geometry effectively if we can't move our bodies effectively in the first place.

Would it be fair to say that with some peoples golf swing issue,are from poor movement patterns. Which is effecting the way they are able to apply their geometry.

Maybe it's not homers work is the problem, maybe it's peoples movement patterns which prevent them applying TGM effectively.



Food for some thought
bioengine, I appreciate your effort on this topic, which hopefully can be helpful to the field.

My only question, so far, to you, with due respect, is:

How close does (especially) your swing (or those you trained) match with those you described, presumably you know what to do or apply for the best?

To me, what you mentioned, including body movements, sequences, biomechanics and so on, are "Effects", like all the mechanics under the hood of a car. Once engineerred, they react faithfully to what the driver do, pressing the acceleration paddel or the break or steering the steering wheel for example, to function.

The human body is basically well engineerred by the creator, as well. They function by reacting, in a naturally coordinated way, to what the brain tells them to do, which is the "Cause", like the driver's act. You don't really need to mess around with what under the hood to drive a car.

The body, the club and the ball move according to the physical "Law", with which you don't want to mess around, either. More control (effect oriented) means more manipulation and potentionally more interference. Instead of finding the "Effect", which can be very informative, I prefer to identify the "Cause", the acceleration paddel, the steering wheel, the gear shifter, the break paddel and so on, and let the car do what it is supposed to. Afterall, I'm not sure if those golfers of your model knew what's going on in their bodies while making a swing or a shot. They got to "do something" for sure and the point is what it is, which is unlikely what you saw. How can you see what's going on in one's head?

I love to see what's going on in the body, the club and the ball during a swing. But, to make one, I prefer to do the "Cause".
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