[Daryl]

OK...

Daryl, it was a crazy and heated debate but I understand the majority of what you have to say and I have learned alot from JE. Its nice to hear what a player does, what a player has tried, and his personal feels to support it. You have to remember that JE learned from Doyle WAY back and as we know, homer's ideals changed slightly from edition to edition. What he learned then as a player may be just a little different from today. Either way, he is very knowledgeable - as are you.

I do agree that CF will pull in a straight line and that at some point, if left 'unbridled', the clubhead may pass the hands and the forearms would roll over, however, with proper hinge action, this can be reduced or avoided.

In my own mind, the only way I can see the over roll occuring is if the pivot cannot support the accumulator dump into the ball. Then we would see this happen.

This isn't a headed debate. It's far from debate and it looks less harmless than it is.

Either way, he is very knowledgeable - as are you.

He is not very knowledgeable. I'm only somewhat knowledgeable. Give John E. credit for a great career and effort and ability.

I do agree that CF will pull in a straight line and that at some point, if left 'unbridled', the clubhead may pass the hands and the forearms would roll over, however, with proper hinge action, this can be reduced or avoided.

"Roll" is imparted by the rotating torso and is not an actual roll of the hands. The Sweetspot of the Clubhead does not rotate around the shaft, but the shaft rotates around the sweetspot. "Rhythm" is Holding both Lever Assemblies to the same basic R.P.M. throughout the Stroke while overtaking all other Components at a steady, even rate.

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The following is a great example of what I see as a scary problem.

What is Accumulator Dump? This is the kind of Gibberish that anyone knowledgeable of TGM would cringe when hearing. See the following quote.

6-M-1 . Then the Accumulators must move very rapidly toward their “In-Line” Position. But none should actually arrive (lose all their Lag and Drag until well after Impact. Also see 6-H-0.

Where does HK use the word "DUMP". "Dump" is johns misrepresentation of the concept of accumulator release. His professional Playing Career has lent him credibility so when he says these things, people believe him but are getting the wrong understanding of TGM.

The phrase "Accumulator Dump" is an invention. It's a phantom argument. There is a fine line here between "Misrepresentation" and "Lack of Knowledge".