LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - swinging and hitting Thread: swinging and hitting View Single Post #22 10-03-2010, 08:11 PM O.B.Left Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,433 Originally Posted by gmbtempe But even if the beginning of the downswing is initiated by a pull it cannot release the club via CF or you could never use the pushing force of the right arm. Watch a guy like Mickelson and VJ, their right arm is barely able to keep up, they could not be a four barrel player even if they wanted to. I see why its very tricky to be a four barrel player, you have to blast off with #4 but with so much force that you outrace the right arm and have the club release without #1. Id imagine they let the right hand drop off so it cant push. Their #1 pp has dropped off but the #3pp is still attached. CF throwout requires you to not push , CF wants to go slow , the right arm wants to speed it up by pushing hard. Id say pushing annuls/ruins CF not the other way around. In terms of 4 B vs 3B Hitting........its a matter of whether or not the Right Shoulder is moving through the shot. 3B the right shoulder is like a launching pad that is more or less parked (it isnt really but its motion is just that motion as opposed to work) . 4B the Right Shoulder is working which makes timing more difficult. Luke has an analogy to jumping off a parked car vs jumping off a car thats on the move. Why he'd want to do that I dont know. He's crazy. So I use two throws, Shoulder Throw then Right Arm Throw. Speaking of Luke , when he rebuilt swing er Hit.........he started with Chip Basic , did nothing but Chip Basic for a month or so. Then he went to Acquired , then Total Motion. He built it from the ground up. And he was a seasoned PGA teaching professional at the time. So we amateur enthusiasts have no excuses. If we want to improve we must start at the beginning...... 12-1 or 2 and 12-5. Dont move past 12-1 until you have mastered it. Dont move past Chip Basic until you have mastered it. You can play some great golf with a 2 B pattern. O.B.Left View Public Profile Send a private message to O.B.Left Find all posts by O.B.Left