Pace, Pressure, Rhythm, Flails, Delivery Paths, Acceleration and Pulley Sizes

[bts]

BTS,

Good point - glad you brought it up.
How do you build your pattern? How do you know if you are mixing the wrong components that are compatible, i.e. within "LAW"?

I pretty much tried a lot, if not all, of the patterns, which pretty much all work, if given enough practice or maintainance and as long as the clubhead behaves accordingly. What left is efficiency, maintainance and reliability. Finally I choose (and teach) shoulder rotation and straight lead arm against "lag" as my default pattern, which all I need to do is "load and sustain the lag" by rotating, turning or spining my shoulders, just like the way the blades of the celing fan or helicopter are driven.

The "Lag" builds up, sustains and releases, the club and lead arm moves on a flat plane, the wrist bends or cocks and unbends and uncocks, the forearms turn and rolls (so does the clubface open and close), the pivot tilts, the head fixed, ..... on and on and on, you name it, which all takes care by themselves (or the "LAW").

The "LAW" usually gets interrupted, if any of the above has been tried to be accomplished. That is, if you pick it up, you tend to pick it more up or less up; if you aim it, you tend to over aim or under aim; if you roll it, you tend to over roll or under roll; if you tilt it; you tend to over tilt or under tilt;... on and on and on, you name it. It's a harmonious and highly coordinated event, during which the whole thing gets affected, if one of the components gets screwed.

Don't take this the wrong way, but if we left things alone because they are LAW, I think we would still be living in caves. But then again, sometimes things are "so simple even a caveman can do it."
(It's a Geico insurance commercial tagline we have in the States. I had to insert that for Buckets benefit.)

I'm getting off topic but this would make a good thread in "The Lab"
Universal laws and principles must be understood and tested. Their boundries explored and relationships to each other comprehended. Laws and Principles - Different but related. Is Centrifugal Force a law or principle? Should you tell a Hitter to use Centrifugal Force?

This isn't about metaphysics, it's basic science.

Then they can be used for a purpose and yes, even manipulated.
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So true. The "LAW" or "Principles" can be used to explain how things work and be applied to work things out. Yet, the result shows, if you do the right thing by executing the right "intent", regardless of knowing what behinds it. Knowing it won't hurt, knowing it and misapplying it hurt.
I don't worry about the food gets to stay in the guts for how long, but what I choose to eat, clean or not, healthy or not.

BTW, "Centrifugal Force" is a term called by certain people describing an inertial force, which can be explained by "Newton's First Law". I tell or teach a "hitter" to bend the shaft through the ball by pushing against the grip with both hands.

[Bagger Lance]

Finally I choose (and teach) shoulder rotation and straight lead arm against "lag" as my default pattern, which all I need to do is "load and sustain the lag" by rotating, turning or spining my shoulders, just like the way the blades of the celing fan or helicopter are driven.

The "Lag" builds up, sustains and releases, the club and lead arm moves on a flat plane, the wrist bends or cocks and unbends and uncocks, the forearms turn and rolls (so does the clubface open and close), the pivot tilts, the head fixed, ..... on and on and on, you name it, which all takes care by themselves (or the "LAW").

Sounds like 10-24-F is working for you and I think that's great. Pivot controlled hands is a viable option. Thanks for clarifying your "LAW".

I think the Circle dealie is fine but inoder for you to get the same clubhead speed for full power shots you'd better be ready or have some hand speed. But for "arms shots" and short game shots and flops and non-pivot delivery strokes circle path is superior. Mr. Kelley said zero out your pivot and hit "full" shots arms shots and see what kind of distance and control you can creat. May be surprised.

Nice - score 1 for the circle path and short game control.

I'm just trying to make a point that many who get jacked up about automatic snap releases and small pulleys and line delivery and max trigger delay . . . better SLOW DOWN to take maximum advantage of the mechanical advantage that a small pulley at the end of that endless belt presents.

Very big point. I hope everyone appreciates this because it's golden.

I think that's why you see Tiger hit some weird out of character shots. He don't need another make-over. He needs to back it down just a little . . . he'd be nastier'n he already is. Think about that performance he gave at Ballibunion or wherever the heck that was. If he thought of the driver as his "play" club as Mr. Jones used to say . . . and brought the same sense of precision and reserve as he did those long irons rather than trying to come off the top rope, he may live on an $80 million dollar island, be #1 in the world and have one the hottest women on the planet as his old lady . . . uh wait a minute.

Every time I see Tiger lash at the ball I cringe. Most times he gets the timing right because its in his DNA, but its not surprising to see his finish station as FORE RIGHT...FORE LEFT. A few minor tweaks and he will be untouchable for many, many generations.

Don't wipe the grease from your fingers yet. There's still a lot of meat left on the bone.
Discussed slow hands around the belt, straight line delivery vs. circle, rhythm, (pace) and snap/sweep release.

What happens to the paddlewheel when you hit the corner and when should you pull the trigger?
How do those TOUR dudes get away with such a big #3 angle at setup and still snap it?

I have to go now...really...I mean it...not coming back.

[12 piece bucket]

Don't wipe the grease from your fingers yet. There's still a lot of meat left on the bone.
Discussed slow hands around the belt, straight line delivery vs. circle, rhythm, (pace) and snap/sweep release.

What happens to the paddlewheel when you hit the corner and when should you pull the trigger?
How do those TOUR dudes get away with such a big #3 angle at setup and still snap it?

I have to go now...really...I mean it...not coming back.

This is my analysis of the above (or non-analysis) of your second question . . .

I think it is really difficult to tell the amount of #3 angle present at address on many people and the TOUR dudes especially. Most of those dudes set up with "LOW" hands. The #3 Accumulator Angle is established when the Left Wrist is Flat and LEVEL. Most of the Tour dudes play from Standard Address with "LOW" hands and a Bent Left Wrist. I would surmize that as a result of their "LOW" hands, the Left Wrist is actually Bent and COCKED at address. So if you compared the down the line view of Address vs. Impact you'd see "HIGHER" hands at Impact revealing the true #3 Accumulator Angle. So basically I don't think you can make an assumption one way or the other from their "LOW" hands address position.

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So alot of it has to do with not only the angle set but also waist bend and knee bend too.

I'm not sure I understand what you're axing in the first question . . . HOLLA BACKONDAT!

[Bagger Lance]

I'm not sure I understand what you're axing in the first question . . . HOLLA BACKONDAT!

Bagger hollering from the wiring closet.

What happens to the paddlewheel when you hit the corner and when should you pull the trigger?

Read the second paragraphs of 7-18 and 7-20 as they relate to small pulleys...

[12 piece bucket]

Bagger hollering from the wiring closet.

What happens to the paddlewheel when you hit the corner and when should you pull the trigger?

Read the second paragraphs of 7-18 and 7-20 as they relate to small pulleys...

7-18 . . .

Then understanding and executing the Left Wrist Action per 2-N-1, synchronizes the entire procedure. Trigger Delay alters little geometrical but magnifies the physics. The Paddlewheel Action of the straightening Right Elbow (10-10-C) initiates and sustains the #3 Accumulator Hand Motion (4-D-0) unit the Both-Arms-Straight and Zero Accumulator #3 position of Full Extension – but, of course, under the guidance of the Flat, Vertical Left Wrist Hinge Action (2-G). Accumulator #3 Action is not Lever Assembly Extension. See 2-P. With the Endless Belt Effect, The Belt (Hands) and the Clubhead have the RPM but the Surface factor sets in and gives the Clubhead greater MPH – in reverse proportion to the size of the Pulley (the smaller, the faster). That is, raised Hand Position – reducing the Accumulator #3 Travel –plus Trigger Delay. Conversely – a larger Pulley (lowered Hands) requires a higher Handspeed and an earlier Trigger. See 6-B-3-A, 6-F and 6-N-0.

smoothly, steadily with no change in the straightening or the Paddlewheel rate of Clubface Closing as set up AT RELEASE. Variations in Trigger Delay are possible ONLY beacuse the Cocked Left Wrist allows the Right Elbow to straighten faster than the Left Arm would otherwise allow (6-B-1) and the greater the Delay the more rapid the Paddlewheel Action and the more Swivel-like it becomes without increasing the actual Endless Belt speed of the Left Hand."

7-20 . . .

The term “Trigger” is used to denote that action which initiates the Release of the Power Package Assembly of Power Accumulators (6-B) to develop and apply force to the ball. It is the lengthening of the third side of the Triangle Assembly which moves the Lever Assemblies toward and through Impact per Pattern. See 6-M-0.

The procedures are termed “Throws” wither they “throw” or are “thrown.” They may be used individually or in combinations. The standard combinations are listed only in Chapter 11-20. Trigger Types are selected according to Release Type and Release Point as defined in 10-20 and 10-24 – that is, Sweep with Sweep, Snap with Snap, etc. For Hitters that means that Triggering (7-20), Assembly (7-21), Loading (7-22), Delivery (7-23) and Release (7-24) require an active Right Elbow and an inactive Left Wrist. For Swingers – vice versa. Study 6-C-2-A, 7-3 and 10-3-K. Remember – an “Active Right Arm” can be Monitored ONLY through awareness of an “Active Right Elbow.” Study 2-G regarding the Swivel and Rhythm. Maximum Trigger Delay noticeably restricts maximum Handspeed (6-N-0). Every Player has a maximum Handspeed and no amount of violent effort will change it much. However, that violent effort per 7-19, cause the Clubhead to fly out into its own orbit prematurely with typical Throwaway results.
WITH THE FLAT LEFT WRIST IN LINE WITH THE RIGHT FOREARM (7-2-3) THE #3 ACCUMULATOR "CLOSES" ONLY AS THE STRAIGHTENING RIGHT ELBOW - ACTIVE OR PASSIVE - PROVIDES THE BASIC PADDLEWHEEL MOTION FOR THE LEFT ARM FLYING WEDGE (6-B-3-0-1) AND FOR THE HAND MOTION PER 4-D-0. THIS IS THE TRUE "OVERTAKING" ACTION (6-F) OF THE LAGGING CLUBHEAD AS DIFFERENTIATED FROM LEVER ASSEMBLY EXTENSION IN 2-P. SO WITH DOWNSTROKE WAGGLES, VERIFY - THROUGH THE HANDS ONLY - THAT THE RIGHT ELBOW WILL BE ON PLANE BEFORE TRIGGERING TO ASSURE ACCURATE TRACING (5-0) FOR THE FOLLOW-THROUGH. ESPECIALLY WITH DELAYED RELEASE THIS WILL ROTATE THE LEFT HAND IN A SWIVELLING ACTION AS REQUIRED FOR RHYTHM (2-C-0, 2-G, 6-J-O).

Let me read on these a lil' bit and I'll holla back.

Another thought on your first question though . . . as a general rule more #3 Angle requires GREATER handspeed.

[Bagger Lance]

Lunch break.
I can't leave you hang'in and I've got to move on.

Let me leave you with this and feel free to poke holes -

The smaller the pulley and greater the release trigger delay, the faster the right elbow must straighten (#3 paddlewheel motion). So the hands may be moving slow around the corner of a small pulley, but that right elbow is straightening fairly fast as it helps turn the paddlewheel of accumulator #3 roll. It is a motion, not an action but the structure needs to be there through extensor action in order to accomodate the paddlewheel motion. The right arm is always trying to straighten. Not driving otherwise it automatically turns into Angled Hinging. It keeps an even, steady overtaking rate. The point I'm trying to make is that the right elbow must straighten faster with a smaller pulley than with a larger pulley.

That snap release, horizontal hinge can feel like a full roll swivel through impact. The RPM of clubface closing is faster with a small pulley than with a big pulley. Left wrist is in charge of hinge action, right elbow is in charge of RPM roll via the paddlewheel. None of this effects handspeed around the belt! We don't have to worry about this because centrifugal throw out action automatically lines everything up anyway. I'm just highlighting how the pieces come together around the corner of the belt.

Your observations on #3 angle at set up are what I was thinking as well. Must differentiate between left wrist cock at address vs. #3 angle as defined by where the clubshaft rests on the left hand heel pad.

For that matter, it's impact fix position that really matters because address is between impact fix and backstroke loading anyway.

It's been a wild ride Brutha, but fun!

[12 piece bucket]

Lunch break.
I can't leave you hang'in and I've got to move on.

Let me leave you with this and feel free to poke holes -

The smaller the pulley and greater the release trigger delay, the faster the right elbow must straighten (#3 paddlewheel motion). So the hands may be moving slow around the corner of a small pulley, but that right elbow is straightening fairly fast as it helps turn the paddlewheel of accumulator #3 roll. It is a motion, not an action but the structure needs to be there through extensor action in order to accomodate the paddlewheel motion. The right arm is always trying to straighten. Not driving otherwise it automatically turns into Angled Hinging. It keeps an even, steady overtaking rate. The point I'm trying to make is that the right elbow must straighten faster with a smaller pulley than with a larger pulley.

That snap release, horizontal hinge can feel like a full roll swivel through impact. The RPM of clubface closing is faster with a small pulley than with a big pulley. Left wrist is in charge of hinge action, right elbow is in charge of RPM roll via the paddlewheel. None of this effects handspeed around the belt! We don't have to worry about this because centrifugal throw out action automatically lines everything up anyway. I'm just highlighting how the pieces come together around the corner of the belt.

Your observations on #3 angle at set up are what I was thinking as well. Must differentiate between left wrist cock at address vs. #3 angle as defined by where the clubshaft rests on the left hand heel pad.

For that matter, it's impact fix position that really matters because address is between impact fix and backstroke loading anyway.

It's been a wild ride Brutha, but fun!

I think you got it licked! Very nice and astute post!

And how about this gem that ties up what we started this whole deal about from the sections you suggested . ..

Maximum Trigger Delay noticeably restricts maximum Handspeed (6-N-0). Every Player has a maximum Handspeed and no amount of violent effort will change it much. However, that violent effort per 7-19, cause the Clubhead to fly out into its own orbit prematurely with typical Throwaway results.


Summary . . . take the Right Hand Karate Chop down and through the Aiming Point like there will be no release at all . . . but keep the wrist soft so as not to disturb the Throw Out . . . do not ever Overaccelerate based on the above.

Have we done a nice job or what?

[EdZ]

7-20 . . .

WITH THE FLAT LEFT WRIST IN LINE WITH THE RIGHT FOREARM (7-2-3) THE #3 ACCUMULATOR "CLOSES" ONLY AS THE STRAIGHTENING RIGHT ELBOW - ACTIVE OR PASSIVE - PROVIDES THE BASIC PADDLEWHEEL MOTION FOR THE LEFT ARM FLYING WEDGE (6-B-3-0-1) AND FOR THE HAND MOTION PER 4-D-0. THIS IS THE TRUE "OVERTAKING" ACTION (6-F) OF THE LAGGING CLUBHEAD AS DIFFERENTIATED FROM LEVER ASSEMBLY EXTENSION IN 2-P.

This is a very important concept that differentiates swivel, from hinge action.

A great drill - go to release point and slowly practice straightening the right arm through to both arms straight.

Next trying it with 'low' hands vs 'high' hands.

You can take 'low' hands deeper before release, but you pay the price in the increased precision requirements in your Rhythm due to increased accumulator overlap. The key reason that sweep release is easier to control distances with IMO.

[Bagger Lance]

This is a very important concept that differentiates swivel, from hinge action.

A great drill - go to release point and slowly practice straightening the right arm through to both arms straight.

Next trying it with 'low' hands vs 'high' hands.

You can take 'low' hands deeper before release, but you pay the price in the increased precision requirements in your Rhythm due to increased accumulator overlap. The key reason that sweep release is easier to control distances with IMO.

Ed,

Very intriguing!
Can you expand on this?
Maybe add it to the drills section.

Thanks,

[bts]

Sounds like 10-24-F is working for you and I think that's great. Pivot controlled hands is a viable option. Thanks for clarifying your "LAW".

Mine is "LAG-controlled pivot".