Pivot role in swinging

[golfbulldog]

Just a few thoughts about where my mind is during the swing...

Is it fair to say that the pivot has an "active" role at the transition phase to "spin the fly wheel" and establish lag pressure ... but that once the fly wheel is spinning, the power pockage is now in orbit, the left arm swinging and sequential release of accumulators 4, 2 then 3 begins ( triple barrel)... and the pivot is then "passive".

By "passive" i mean its motion is just enough to SUSTAIN lag pressure sensation in hands but not overly active to increase those pressures.

By "active" i mean one can consciously place your mind in part of your pivot to encourage a correct motion but then as soon as lag sensation is established in PP3 then my mind jumps to my hands and the pivot is then purely responsive and sustaining that sensation.

These are the thoughts that i have had recently -with lagging clubhead take-away i find my mind is in my pivot until "end" / transition phase when i get a massive awakening of pp3 sensation and the downswing occurs with mind in my hands... aware of the delivery line prep, delivery line uncocking prep, delivery line roll prep etc... ( love that video of Lynn doing this !!)

I know these are feels and hence may be personal to me but just wondered if anybody else found that their backswing is essentially pivot controlled hands until lag pressure comes with a wallop and then hands control the pivot once the power package is spun in orbit by flywheel...?

Comments??

[nuke99]

If accu 4 is to be active, shoulder pivot need to be active. ie shoulder throw.

For swinging , shoulder throw/Accumulator 4 , Instant hip acceleration are responsible for Drag loading and applying Pressure on PP 3 , pp 4 , pp 2. Not the elbow , not the wrist.

However, shoulder job is to blast the arms. if that answers your question. It doesn't become passive and its still need to carry on turning

[golfbulldog]

Hi Nuke - i think i see what you are saying - but what i am saying is do you guys have your mind in your hands from the address position or only once you have loaded the lag??

If accu 4 is to be active, shoulder pivot need to be active. ie shoulder throw.

For swinging , shoulder throw/Accumulator 4 , Instant hip acceleration are responsible for Drag loading and applying Pressure on PP 3 , pp 4 , pp 2. Not the elbow , not the wrist.

However, shoulder job is to blast the arms. if that answers your question. It doesn't become passive and its still need to carry on turning

[nuke99]

for me, I only feel PP3 and maybe PP2 is monitored from top( lag loading) till follow through, both arm straight and the pressure eases when hand is shoulder height, finish of the swing or when the swing 'brakes'

But I would start monitoring my hands from the very beginning of the swing.. because the wrist gotta cock, bend, up the whatever plane you choose. so

"Mind" in the hand all the time, and its matters execution wise.

[bts]

The "Lag/pressure/resistance/torque/tension/stress" can only be sustained by active action/muscle contraction/pulling or pushing/acceleration, during which, for as long as possible:

the pivot keeps rotating or sliding or doing both against the "Lag/pressure/resistance/torque/tension/stress",

the arms keep pulling (in "swinging") or pushing (in "hitting") or doing both (in "switting") against the "Lag/pressure/resistance/torque/tension/stress".

Then, let the "LAW" determine the rest.

The club only takes the ride and the ball the punch.

[SECGolf]

By "active" i mean one can consciously place your mind in part of your pivot to encourage a correct motion but then as soon as lag sensation is established in PP3 then my mind jumps to my hands and the pivot is then purely responsive and sustaining that sensation.


Comments??

If your intent is hand controlled pivot (even if, ultimately, say only through impact), I'd lean to saying that such thoughts of "separation" of clubhead feel and an active pivot are hazardous. See 7-19 where clubhead feel is established for drag loading (before what you describe as "active pivot phase"). Even in float loading (see where clubhead lag is loaded), I'd think you are risking throw away with your described sequence, or a least a decrease in accuracy in that the hands are out of the picture for a time period.

Given knowledge of what is supposed to happen (body rotation, for example), the hands can dictate from start to finish (given that the hands DO follow the correct line).

[tongzilla]

The "Lag/pressure/resistance/torque/tension/stress" can only be sustained by active action/muscle contraction/pulling or pushing/acceleration, during which, for as long as possible:

the pivot keeps rotating or sliding or doing both against the "Lag/pressure/resistance/torque/tension/stress",

the arms keep pulling (in "swinging") or pushing (in "hitting") or doing both (in "switting") against the "Lag/pressure/resistance/torque/tension/stress".

Then, let the "LAW" determine the rest.

The club only takes the ride and the ball the punch.

Do your really want to be rotating your pivot for as long as possible?

[drewitgolf]

Do your really want to be rotating your pivot for as long as possible?

Hey, Clubhead Lag has NO Release Point .

[SECGolf]

Do your really want to be rotating your pivot for as long as possible?

I'd like to read more/confirm:

Isn't the case where body rotation starts the gyroscope, then it's all cetrifugal force. Any active addition of pivot would disrupt the action of cetrifugal force. Body responds to centrifugal force. Cetrifugal force creates clubhead change (sustains clubhead lag). All the swinger has to do is get things started.

[golfbulldog]

I'd like to read more/confirm:

Isn't the case where body rotation starts the gyroscope, then it's all cetrifugal force. Any active addition of pivot would disrupt the action of cetrifugal force. Body responds to centrifugal force. Cetrifugal force creates clubhead change (sustains clubhead lag). All the swinger has to do is get things started.

This is pretty much what i was trying to say - the pivot drives the powerpackage into orbit around a stationary post/something/head/base of neck and release 4, then 2 then 3... the pivot doesn't stop moving but it slows during the accumulator releases and moves just enough to enable sutained lag pressure... but in a swinger the pivot is not driving the lag pressure.... at least that is the way i have interpreted it.

Thanks for your comments guys. Helpful discussion for me!