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Old 05-03-2008, 04:50 PM
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Endless belt is merely the mechanic advantage of the wheel. The shorter movement of the inner wheel (HANDS) increases the surface speed of the OUTER circle (Clubhead) so it can still in rhythm and maintain its Pace with the inner circle of one revolution. It is a whipping action of the clubhead (outer circle) around the hands (inner circle). This of course increases clubhead speed.
In nature any increase in surface area will produce an increase in surface speed to maintain its original Pace. This action with air over a wing produces LIFT called Bernoulli's law by producing a difference of pressure on the shorter side of the wing - in this case the outter side of the foil that cause an increase in air speed is the clubhead and the short flat side of the wing is the hands which maintains its Pace.
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Old 05-03-2008, 05:00 PM
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Didnt want to use my Mizunos so I just cut the head off my wifes 5 iron and her tennis racquet too. Im sticking them together like a giant tennis racquet.

OK I get what your saying. Nice. OK. Out and down.

Hey this sort of relates to the dilemma I face when I have a say a pitching wedge from a severe side hill slope with ball way above feet. I grip down and adjust the sole to a more horizontal plane than the slope, so its still "loft" not "left" and then take more club given the chocking down and aim to the right to accommodate any remaining "left" , swing out and

Oh, oh her she comes,crap, oh she's pissed!. Gotta go.

OK Im back and apparently I now have an infinite amount of time to devote to golf. Ive added loft, Im just about to add a lie angle to the head, will this alone give it a hook face? The steeper the lie angle the more the hooked face?

Im close to enlightenment but not quite there. Is shaft lean a factor?

Keep it coming Im close, I've got lots of time and am all ears.

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Old 05-03-2008, 06:57 PM
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Endless belt is merely the mechanic advantage of the wheel. The shorter movement of the inner wheel (HANDS) increases the surface speed of the OUTER circle (Clubhead) so it can still in rhythm and maintain its Pace with the inner circle of one revolution. It is a whipping action of the clubhead (outer circle) around the hands (inner circle). This of course increases clubhead speed.
In nature any increase in surface area will produce an increase in surface speed to maintain its original Pace. This action with air over a wing produces LIFT called Bernoulli's law by producing a difference of pressure on the shorter side of the wing - in this case the outter side of the foil that cause an increase in air speed is the clubhead and the short flat side of the wing is the hands which maintains its Pace.

And of course this inner smaller wheel is where the uncocking of power accumulator number TWO, Velocity Power on an incline plane attached to a straight plane line like a pitched roof on a house to its gutter, this velocity power is TRANSFERRED along the straight plane ‘gutter line’ by power accumulator number THREE, the Transfer Power with a lagging clubhead and a flat left wrist via a bent right wrist- The Flying Wedges. Before Homer’s death, he said he would teach the Golfing Machine through the Flying Wedges, replacing the Star Triad. Considering The FWs are covered in one single paragraph in the Yellow book, I can’t help but wonder what light he would have discovered himself about the FWs. Thankfully we have Yoda to throw some light into the darken corners of the book.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:21 PM
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Things to remember...
In the diagram of the Endless Belt of 2-K:
1. The Hand Speed determines the Belt Speed.
2. The Release Point determines the size of the Pully Wheel.
3. There is no #2 Accumulator in the drawing.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf View Post
Things to remember...
In the diagram of the Endless Belt of 2-K:

3. There is no #2 Accumulator in the drawing.
Drew,

You got me on that one.
I would think there is no #3 in the drawing

OK - So I actually looked in the book and low and behold, you are RIGHT!
I wonder why Homer didn't show any wristcock on the belt?
I could have sworn that belt showed #2.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.
I would think Homer left it out since not every stroke has a wrist cock or a #2 PA. Staying on the delivery line is. But since we mostly speak of full swing strokes- uncocking on plane and transfering power on the delivery line fits the way Endless belt works in this discussion.

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Old 05-04-2008, 09:08 PM
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MAYBE this could be more of an action type deal. I don't think you necessarily have to have your left arm "rag doll" limp . . .but maybe Mr. K was saying that there isn't really any POWER/Action . . . the Left Arm is MAJOR in clubface alignments and low point alignments. So don't go braindead on Left Arm.
I'm referring to the idea that the primary lever is driven by something else other than itself! If you move the left arm with the left arm you get into a bit of trouble My left arm is never limp, but it's structure must be courtesy of EA, not muscular tension in the left arm.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:22 PM
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Word . . . consider the old weight on a string deal . . . weight is spinning round and round . . . then it flys off. Physics has it flying off at 90 degrees to the radius. So imagine if you tilted the axis of the whirling string so it was spinning around on an inclined plane. It still would leave at 90 degrees to the radius which would be OUT TO THE RIGHT.

The concept is the same in golf. The clubhead is the weight on the string. The force that you are generating would be at right angles to the radius. So anything back of lowpoint the force is OUT TO THE RIGHT. So design hook face into the club to DIVERT the force so you can hit the ball down the target line and not out to right field. Notice the longer the iron the less hook face . . the are designed to be played closer to low point.

Hope that makes sense . . . any correction would be good from any of the HEAVIES lurking.



Required reading for golfing neophytes and all duped lemmings! I proved this with pvc pipe and golf balls! Place the ball in the pvc pipe and time (if you can) a straight away release. Of course there is no hook face to divert, it is amazing how often able bodied teens leave the ball in the pipe! We start from top!

Most people think that the only hooked faces are on their super-duper anti-slice drivers! Square is NOT square folks!
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Old 05-04-2008, 10:48 PM
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Required reading for golfing neophytes and all duped lemmings! I proved this with pvc pipe and golf balls! Place the ball in the pvc pipe and time (if you can) a straight away release. Of course there is no hook face to divert, it is amazing how often able bodied teens leave the ball in the pipe! We start from top!

Most people think that the only hooked faces are on their super-duper anti-slice drivers! Square is NOT square folks!
Im still not all the way there on this one. Assuming the golf ball is struck back of low point with say a baseball bat, it will go right. The golf club is therefore manufactured with a built in amount of shaft lean and an appropriate amount of bounce given its shaft lean and a square to the target face? Is this right? Is this what is meant by hook faced short irons?

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Old 05-04-2008, 11:23 PM
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For what its worth.....
I contacted Mizuno about "hook faced" irons question:

My question:

I own MP32 irons.
Is it true that irons are designed "hook faced" in that when properly soled, the shaft leans forward toward the target? If so, can you describe the reasoning why (I'm assuming it has to do with the golf club operating on an inclined plane) and what the hook angle specs are. Thanks

The response:

Thank you for contacting Mizuno USA. The MP 32 irons are designed as a neutral blade model and do not favor a hook or fade setup. This club will be one of the most workable options that we have available. Thanks again for your time and interest.

Best Regards,

Mizuno USA
http://www.mizunousa.com
Consumer Support Division
1-800-966-1211

I don't know if this response was from a clerk at customer support or a design engineer so use at your own risk. But its interesting nonetheless.
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