To suggest Hogan as a hitter or switter I think most people refer to the statement from Hogan himself that he wished he had more than one (three I think he said)of them...right hands that is. Far from conclusive, I know
To suggest Hogan as a hitter or switter I think most people refer to the statement from Hogan himself that he wished he had more than one (three I think he said)of them...right hands that is. Far from conclusive, I know
If Gregg McHatton walked around screaming he was a hitter I'd tell him he's got a good sense of humor.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Can you provide some solid evidence that Hogan hit with his right hand? When did he hit, and how did he hit with the right hand?
Jeff.
Jeff
This is just my opinion based on what Hogan said about 3 right hand. i base my opinion on the position of the right hand being in an uncocked position in follow through. I see this as a result of his ability to control or "fight" the cf action on his left wrist all the way to impact and then over power it with the right hand working in a "karate chop" move. i know this goes against tgm principles and the notions of physics just my view
What do you mean by stating that the right hand is uncocked post-impact? I believe that the right wrist should be level (but bent) throughout the downswing and followthrough, and I cannot understand what you mean when you claim that Hogan uncocked his right wrist post-impact.
What do you mean when you state that the right hand must move in a karate-chop move/action through impact, and how does it overpower the left wrist through impact? It is my understanding that the left wrist is flat throughout the downswing (even while it is uncocking as a result of the release of power accumulator #2) and followthrough, and that the left wrist uncocking occurs secondary to centrifugal action, and not due to any right-sided (right forearm/hand) forces. I cannot imagine what it means when one states that the left wrist/hand is overpowered through impact - unless one is a flipper, who incorrectly straightens the right wrist through the impact zone. Hogan, obviously, didn't perform any right hand flipping action through the impact zone - based on photographic evidence.
mrodock
It is my impression that Hogan's right elbow is especially bent at impact because he rotated his pelvis to a very open position by impact, and simultantaneously maintained his right pitch elbow position in front of the right hip.
What do you mean by stating that the right hand is uncocked post-impact? I believe that the right wrist should be level (but bent) throughout the downswing and followthrough, and I cannot understand what you mean when you claim that Hogan uncocked his right wrist post-impact.
What do you mean when you state that the right hand must move in a karate-chop move/action through impact, and how does it overpower the left wrist through impact? It is my understanding that the left wrist is flat throughout the downswing (even while it is uncocking as a result of the release of power accumulator #2) and followthrough, and that the left wrist uncocking occurs secondary to centrifugal action, and not due to any right-sided (right forearm/hand) forces. I cannot imagine what it means when one states that the left wrist/hand is overpowered through impact - unless one is a flipper, who incorrectly straightens the right wrist through the impact zone. Hogan, obviously, didn't perform any right hand flipping action through the impact zone - based on photographic evidence.
mrodock
It is my impression that Hogan's right elbow is especially bent at impact because he rotated his pelvis to a very open position by impact, and simultantaneously maintained his right pitch elbow position in front of the right hip.
Jeff.
Jeff
I am assuming you are asking about hogan later in his post accident days so look at some footage of that . The cf force eventually causes the left hand to begin to uncock my opinion is that he used his right hand as i stated like a karate chop at impact without losing the bend in his right wrist it has nothing to do with his forearm . Seems pretty obvious that the right wrist is in an uncocked position when the arms come back into view in the follow through on a DTL sequence.Just my opinion anyway
The word "cocked" implies a state of radial deviation of the wrist, and I believe that the right wrist never becomes cocked (radially deviated) during the backswing, and it remains level (neither cocked or uncocked). I think that the right wrist bends (dorsiflexes) during the backswing, and it remains bent during the downswing and the followthrough, even though the right elbow straightens. There may less bend in the right wrist at the end of the followthrough, but it shouldn't ever straighten fully (fully palmar flex).
Based on the above, I cannot understand how the right hand can independently power the downswing (via some type of karate-chop action).
The word "cocked" implies a state of radial deviation of the wrist, and I believe that the right wrist never becomes cocked (radially deviated) during the backswing, and it remains level (neither cocked or uncocked). I think that the right wrist bends (dorsiflexes) during the backswing, and it remains bent during the downswing and the followthrough, even though the right elbow straightens. There may less bend in the right wrist at the end of the followthrough, but it shouldn't ever straighten fully (fully palmar flex).
Based on the above, I cannot understand how the right hand can independently power the downswing (via some type of karate-chop action).
Jeff.
I don't recall talking about the backswing at all but since you mention it most good players have an element of right wrist cock in their backswing however small it may be and if you can't understand my opinion on the right hand function at impact ask someone else they may give you the standard tgm textbook answer you seek and while you are at it ask all of them to do a break down of hogans swing components. With time you may get a lot of answers but i bet not one of them will be the same. i have seen four or five and simply they are not even close to each other so goodluck and check the footage yourself and explain away the uncocked right wrist position detailed in an earlier post to you
I still don't know what you mean by the right wrist being uncocked post-impact.
I have studied Hogan's swing in depth many times. Here is a series of photos showing his right wrist movements through the impact zone.
Let' see whether we can agree on the "reality" of what is happening to his right wrist.
Image 1 shows Hogan at impact. His right wrist is bent (dorsiflexed) and level (neither upcocked or downcocked).
Image 2 shows Hogan post-impact. His right wrist is still bent and level. I can see no evidence of palmar flexion of the right wrist or any cocking movements (either radial deviation or ulnar deviation) of the right wrist. So, in what sense do you claim that Hogan uncocked his right wrist during impact and thereby applied right hand power to the ball?
Image 3 is post-followthrough and I think that it demonstrates right hand pronation (which straightens the right wrist) and left hand supination, and I think that those movements represent the start of the finish swivel action.
Jeff.
Last edited by Jeff : 05-24-2008 at 01:38 AM.
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It is my impression that Hogan's right elbow is especially bent at impact because he rotated his pelvis to a very open position by impact, and simultantaneously maintained his right pitch elbow position in front of the right hip.
Jeff.
Jeff I believe you are correct but I was not concerned you had an incomplete understanding of the topic at hand.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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