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[12 piece bucket]

Your talking open in relation to the eventual "end target"- absolutely. But for a draw the leading edge would need to be closed to the clubhead path. All a little outside of my comments on Toolish.

What is the disease of the flat right wrist? I answered that in the posts above. However, if you'd a different answer- scientist now believe that eating boogers- can cause the flattening of the right wrist.

Have you been drinking out of the toilet bowl again?

Please watch the head movement in the face on sequence . . . I think that's where it's coming from. The head movement would also be a symptom so I'd say it's via the pivot components. BUT this is is a VERY VERY nice motion.

[Mike O]

Have you been drinking out of the toilet bowl again?

Please watch the head movement in the face on sequence . . . I think that's where it's coming from. The head movement would also be a symptom so I'd say it's via the pivot components. BUT this is is a VERY VERY nice motion.

Just me- I'm not really worried about head movement.

[mb6606]

Just me- I'm not really worried about head movement.

Are your misses pull draw/hooks and blocks? I see off plane inside shoulder turn take away - forcing the left swing down. Get the club up the plane and down the plane. Try some left arm only pure swings.

[12 piece bucket]

Just me- I'm not really worried about head movement.

Lunatic 1 to Lunatic 2 to Lunatic 3 . . .

Why would you not be worried about head movement?

I'm not saying that head movement is the end all be all . . . BUT the head indicates what the pivot maybe doing . . . TO THE LOW POINT . . . . AND . . . IF THE HEAD HANGS BACK THE PIVOT STALLS THE ARMS RUN AWAY AND THE FACE SHUTS FAST . . . Massive rotor just stalled out and everything else goes out and away.

I may have to get that human head in the fridge wild eyed look, drink a lot of coffee, smoke some cigs and make a youtube video . . . .

1-800-WITNESS-PROTECTION-FOR-DUDES-THAT-WEAR-WOMENZ-DRAWZ

[Mike O]

Lunatic 1 to Lunatic 2 to Lunatic 3 . . .

Why would you not be worried about head movement?

I'm not saying that head movement is the end all be all . . . BUT the head indicates what the pivot maybe doing . . . TO THE LOW POINT . . . . AND . . . IF THE HEAD HANGS BACK THE PIVOT STALLS THE ARMS RUN AWAY AND THE FACE SHUTS FAST . . . Massive rotor just stalled out and everything else goes out and away.

I may have to get that human head in the fridge wild eyed look, drink a lot of coffee, smoke some cigs and make a youtube video . . . .

1-800-WITNESS-PROTECTION-FOR-DUDES-THAT-WEAR-WOMENZ-DRAWZ

Dr. Earless one to be,
put down the meth pipe and stop the obsession with the head-
Absolutely, if you have a major head problem then you would look to see why your head is hanging back and then make the correction.
That said I wouldn't consider Toolish to have any major head motion problem- at least I would see other issues directly that may cause any head motion issues that you are seeing.

Glad to see we agree on this What's next?

[12 piece bucket]

Dr. Earless one to be,
put down the meth pipe and stop the obsession with the head-
Absolutely, if you have a major head problem then you would look to see why your head is hanging back and then make the correction.
That said I wouldn't consider Toolish to have any major head motion problem- at least I would see other issues directly that may cause any head motion issues that you are seeing.

Glad to see we agree on this What's next?

bottom line . . . . Saved this deal and did a slowmo freeze frame deal.

too much hang back or tilt or whatever . . . . causes the right wrist to be thrown because the pivot is stalled.

fix . . .

go FORWARD . . .

That would be the bucket analysis anyhow.

this dude has some MAJOR good pieces in his motion. Arms work nice . . . pivot works nice just doesn't have his upper body forward enough and as result the hands don't look educated but I have a feeling his hands know what to do they just can work because of the pivot. Low point gets compromised because he doesn't get his tilt forward enough.

That's what I got.

[Mike O]

bottom line . . . . Saved this deal and did a slowmo freeze frame deal.

too much hang back or tilt or whatever . . . . causes the right wrist to be thrown because the pivot is stalled.

fix . . .

go FORWARD . . .

That would be the bucket analysis anyhow.

this dude has some MAJOR good pieces in his motion. Arms work nice . . . pivot works nice just doesn't have his upper body forward enough and as result the hands don't look educated but I have a feeling his hands know what to do they just can work because of the pivot. Low point gets compromised because he doesn't get his tilt forward enough.

That's what I got.

I'm with ya - but I'd see the pivot stopping or hanging back as a sympton and not a direct cause. So I wouldn't have as the primary correction- moving more forward on it. But I see the sympton that you are talking about and it is certainly one of many- Now that we agree - What else can we argue about?

[Toolish]

KAPLOWD - What do you mean by the Hogan waggle.

Mike - Aiming about B2. Handicap is 6.0 so average high 70's. When I said I tend to set the face closed it is closed to the intended flight line. Whenever I cosciously check it at fix it tends to point left if anything. When I said dealt with my release I meant I am happy with it, it is not something I am trying to change. I don't have an issue with not being a snap releaser.

You said "you have over done the down, out and forward- you need more down." I am confused by that...if anything I take a fairly chunky divot and get a lot of spin which I thought related to a steep angle of attack on the ball...maybe it is the right wrist straightening that is causing the ball flight trajectory wise.

mb6606 - Misses are pulls and cuts generally...not many hooks.

I hit some balls yesterday working on more of a right forearm takeaway (thanks Okie) which helped to keep the club more on plane. I also worked on releasing the body more thorugh the ball and stopping the head hanging back. Ended up with a bit of a Duval move where the head starts to turn before impact. The ball flight definately had a stronger tendency, a bit lower and more penetrating...but still need to do more on the pivot to allow the right wrist to keep its alignment though.

Again, thanks all for the input...