Therefore, in a Swinging Motion (Right Arm or Left), the Centrifugal Throwout Release of the Left Wrist may be Triggered by the Right Arm. Nevertheless, as a Power Source, again by definition, the #1 Power Accumulator is passive.
Summarizing, Right Arm Throw (Release Trigger) and Right Arm Power (Stroke Variation) are not the same thing.
What you seem to be implying is that TT's description of his right arm throw action is that it can be a trigger for release of PA#2, rather than the way I interpreted TT's description - as an active right elbow straightening action acting against pressure point #1 (right arm power) thereby actively releasing PA#4 via a drive loading action. Are you therefore saying that right arm power cannot be used in a swinger's action (in the way I described)? Also, how does a right arm throw trigger release of PA#2? What's the biomechanical mechanism?
"Therefore, in a Swinging Motion (Right Arm or Left), the Centrifugal Throwout Release of the Left Wrist may be Triggered by the Right Arm. Nevertheless, as a Power Source, again by definition, the #1 Power Accumulator is passive.
Summarizing, Right Arm Throw (Release Trigger) and Right Arm Power (Stroke Variation) are not the same thing."
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What you seem to be implying is that TT's description of his right arm throw action is that it can be a trigger for release of PA#2, rather than the way I interpreted TT's description - as an active right elbow straightening action acting against pressure point #1 (right arm power) thereby actively releasing PA#4 via a drive loading action. Are you therefore saying that right arm power cannot be used in a swinger's action (in the way I described)?
[Bold emphasis by Yoda.]
Jeff,
To your immediate question . . . "Yes."
Now to my own . . .
Did Tommy refer to his heretofore described Right Forearm Action as the Right Arm Throw? It's been a while since I've viewed his many videos on site, and without a return visit, I don't know.
But again, per my previous post . . .
I don't care.
I care only about consistency.
Consistency of description within the constraints of:
The Terminology;
The Principles; and
The Procedures . . .
Of The Golfing Machine as set down by Homer Kelley and illuminated in thousands of posts by myself and many others on this site.
Including yours, Jeff.
IMHO, as aggravating as you can be at times -- -- you're terrific! And I am delighted and privileged to have you posting on my site.
hhhmmm....if someone feels the right side you are hitting? si swingers should not feel anything in the right side? is that correct? when im at top, i feel a shitload of pressure on my right hand and right shoulder, so am i a hitter?
I obviously cannot really understand the difference between triggering a release and powering a release - especially with respect to a "right arm throw".
I am reading 10-20-B and trying to understand what is meant by a "right arm throw" trigger. HK states under 10-20-B that "the right arm simply pushes the lever assemblies towards impact -- usually restricted to hitting."
I can understand the right arm pushing the lever assemblies only as occurring in two ways - the right arm can push against PP#3 and/or PP#1.
I thought that if the right arm pushes against PP#3 using an axe handle technique (radial direction) that it represents hitting. If it represents hitting, then isn't this "right arm pushing the lever assemblies" a power stroke? Why does he call it a trigger? Also, doesn't the push action occur, from a biomechanical perspective, from the active straightening of the right elbow via active right triceps action - which is an active release of PA#1? In other words, how can this "right arm throw" action be a trigger and not a power stroke (due to release of PA#1) if the golfer is hitting.
Another question - HK states that the "right arm throw" is restricted to hitting. However, I thought you implied that a right arm throw (which is defined by HK as a push action of the lever assemblies towards impact) can also be used as a trigger to release PP#2 in a swinger's action. This puzzles me. Where is the "right arm throw" exerting its push action when triggering the release of PP#2 in a swinger's action - ? PP#1? If a push force is used against PP#1 in a swinger's action - how does it trigger the release of PP#2?
I also do not understand TT's right arm throw action. He states that a golfer needs to throw from the top and that one should actively drive the club down-and-out. My only mental conception of what a "right arm throw" means from a biomechanical perspective = an active extension of the right elbow via active right triceps action. TT does not state how that right arm throw action propels the clubshaft. From my perspective, it can supply a push-force at PP#3 or PP#1. If it applies push force at PP#3 on the back side of the clubshaft, that represents hitting. However, TT is talking about right arm swinging. Therefore, I presume that he is referring to the right arm applying active push-pressure at PP#1. If one applies active push-pressure at PP#1, then its effect must surely be to propel the left hand to move faster. That's normally what the release of PP#4 does in a pivot-driven swing. However, TT doesn't state that one activates the pivot to release PA#4 and move the left arm/hand forward. I therefore concluded that TT meant that the "right arm throw' pushes the left arm/hand forward as a substitute for the release of PA#4. However, you indicate that the right arm cannot perform this power stroke role in a swinger's action - I am therefore very confused.
I can understand the right arm pushing the lever assemblies only as occurring in two ways - the right arm can push against PP#3 and/or PP#1.
I thought that if the right arm pushes against PP#3 using an axe handle technique (radial direction) that it represents hitting. If it represents hitting, then isn't this "right arm pushing the lever assemblies" a power stroke? Why does he call it a trigger? Also, doesn't the push action occur, from a biomechanical perspective, from the active straightening of the right elbow via active right triceps action - which is an active release of PA#1? In other words, how can this "right arm throw" action be a trigger and not a power stroke (due to release of PA#1) if the golfer is hitting.
Jeff,
Of course, as in your quote above, if the golfer is Hitting ("radial acceleration / axe handle technique"), the Right Arm Throw Triggeris prelude to Right Arm Thrustthrough Impact and does indeed ultimate in a Right Arm Power Stroke. However, my response was to your premise as postulated in your Post # 30 above (which mandated Swinging):
"Then his right arm throw action induces a passive release of PA#2 via centrifugal action (rather than an axehandle technique of radial force being applied against pressure point #3)."
And this is a Swing -- by your own definition -- with a Right Arm Release Trigger.
Yoda - when I stated in post#30 that the right arm throw action induces a centrifugal release of PP#2, I was thinking that TT meant that the right arm throw occurs via the active release of PA#1 and that it substitutes for PA#4 as a force causing the left arm to move in space. Then I imagined the release of PA#2 occurring via simple centrifugal forces - due to the fact that the left wrist/hand eventually moves in a tight circular direction at some point in the downswing (as if moving around a small radius pulley in HK's endless belt analogy). In other words, I was not really implying that the "right arm throw" was acting as a trigger to trigger the release of PA#2. I was thinking of the "right arm throw" as a power stroke that moved the left arm, and I thought of the release of PA#2 as occurring automatically/passively according to the principles of the endless belt principle. In other words, if a swinger moves the left arm in space down-and-out towards the ball, PA#2 release occurs automatically (without being triggered). That's why I remain confused by what is meant by a "right arm throw" being a trigger for the release of PA#2 in a swinger's action. I also cannot understand how a "right arm throw" works differently (from a biomechanical perspective) when it acts as a trigger rather than a power stroke. Surely, both require the same biomechanical action - an active triceps contraction => active straightening of the right elbow (which is definitionally my understanding of what is meant by the term "active release of PA#1").
You've made good points, bray, but regarding the above, I must disagree.
You can "Paint it with the right side" (as NBC analyst Johnny Miller recently desribed a TOUR player's Stroke) and still be Swinging. In fact, you must feel this.
Despite his Passive Right Elbow Accumulator (#1), the Swinger delivers -- via his Pivot and Left Wrist Throw -- a stiff-wristed Right Forearm Slap (Pitch Major Basic Stroke / 10-3-B). The Right Forearm's Basic Stroke (7-3) and the first joint of the Right Forefinger (6-C-1 #3), Loaded with its Lag Pressure (The Secret per 6-C-2-0/E), Traces the Straight Plane Line (2-O / B - #3) and accurately Delivers the Clubhead to the Ball (1-L #1 through #10). All while Extensor Action (6-B-3-0-1), Right Triceps Pressure via the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand Thumb, creates maximum Power Package Structure.
Bottom Line: Even in a Swinging Stroke, the Right Side is always active.
Thanks for your contribution, bray, but respectfully, I must disagree.
You can "Paint with the Right Side" as desribed by the NBC analyst Johnny Miller, and still be Swinging. In fact, you must feel this.
Despite the Passive Right Elbow Accumulator (#1), the Swinger delivers -- via his Pivot and Left Wrist Throw -- a stiff-wristed Right Forearm Slap (Pitch Major Basic Stroke / 10-3-B). The Right Forearm's Basic Stroke (7-3) and the first joint of the Right Forefinger, Loaded with its Lag Pressure, Traces the Straight Plane Line and accurately Delivers the Clubhead to the Ball (1-L #1 through #10). All while Extensor Action (6-B-3-0-1), Right Triceps Pressure via the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand Thumb, creates maximum Power Package Structure.
Bottom Line: Even in a Swinging Stroke, the Right Side is always active.
Ask any professional tennis player what his most powerful ground stroke is and he will tell you the, "FOREHAND" (versus backhand). The forehand is powered by the right side.
Ask any professional tennis player what his most powerful ground stroke is and he will tell you the, "FOREHAND" (versus backhand). The forehand is powered by the right side.
Hence, Homer Kelley's own words in TGM's First Edition:
The "mystery" of the Mechanics of Golf was found to haunt the fens and grottos of Right Arm participation, Therefore it was much simpler and clearer to present the soutuion as a Right Arm approach to the whole game.
[Bold emphasis by Yoda]
Still, students should recognize that the tennis player's right forearm smash forfeits Left Arm Radius Power (6-B-4-0) and its Checkrein Control (of the Right Elbow) per the Extensor Action of 6-B-1-D.
Hybrid Mode
