DG wrote-: "Even before Tommy shook Homer's hand....he had 48 hours worth of phone conversations on audio tape. Wow....must have been a wealth of knowledge in those 48 hours let alone the 8 12 hour days that he spent with Homer in his master class that he also caught on audio tape. I really don't know how Tommy could've have gone wrong. And even Golf Illustrated interviewed him...something good must have been happening in those Swinging, Hitting and Advanced schools. I'll let the members of this forum be the judge. Oh, btw, a number of the top University Golf Coachs studied with Tommy at his Myrtle Beach studio....even sent complementry notes after their instruction. Go figure...."
This is a totally irrational argument. One's ability to understand TGM is not directly proportional to the amount of time a TGM enthusiast spent with HK, or the number of hours he personally spent thinking about TGM teachings. There is a confounding variable in this simplistic cause-and-effect equation - the intellect of the TGM enthusiast and his mental ability to correctly digest HK's ideas. When DG states that he doesn't know "how Tommy could have gone wrong", it only reflects his personal bias and his inability to mentally entertain alternative perspectives. I would greatly respect DG's opinions if he could describe TT's ideas using TGM terminology and TGM mechanics/biomechanics. However, he never attempts to describe TT's ideas - he simply states that the "evidence" is clearly evident in TT's articles/videos/audio tapes. That's like the church scientists of the Vatican who clearly believed that the earth was flat (because of their biblical teachings) and who didn't think that alternative perspectives (Galileo's belief that the earth was round) could possibly be correct.
DG wrote-: "Even before Tommy shook Homer's hand....he had 48 hours worth of phone conversations on audio tape. Wow....must have been a wealth of knowledge in those 48 hours let alone the 8 12 hour days that he spent with Homer in his master class that he also caught on audio tape. I really don't know how Tommy could've have gone wrong. And even Golf Illustrated interviewed him...something good must have been happening in those Swinging, Hitting and Advanced schools. I'll let the members of this forum be the judge. Oh, btw, a number of the top University Golf Coachs studied with Tommy at his Myrtle Beach studio....even sent complementry notes after their instruction. Go figure...."
This is a totally irrational argument. One's ability to understand TGM is not directly proportional to the amount of time a TGM enthusiast spent with HK, or the number of hours he personally spent thinking about TGM teachings. There is a confounding variable in this simplistic cause-and-effect equation - the intellect of the TGM enthusiast and his mental ability to correctly digest HK's ideas. When DG states that he doesn't know "how Tommy could have gone wrong", it only reflects his personal bias and his inability to mentally entertain alternative perspectives. I would greatly respect DG's opinions if he could describe TT's ideas using TGM terminology and TGM mechanics/biomechanics. However, he never attempts to describe TT's ideas - he simply states that the "evidence" is clearly evident in TT's articles/videos/audio tapes. That's like the church scientists of the Vatican who clearly believed that the earth was flat (because of their biblical teachings) and who didn't think that alternative perspectives (Galileo's belief that the earth was round) could possibly be correct.
Jeff.
Jeff,
Review the Letter Series and the Australian Series- especially Chapter 2 and Chapter 5 - it's all there!!! You need to watch it at least 100 times before you understand the details. If you want the article from Golf Illustrated - PM me and I'll send it to you - Go Tommy YEE HAW!!!
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Jeff,
Review the Letter Series and the Australian Series- especially Chapter 2 and Chapter 5 - it's all there!!! You need to watch it at least 100 times before you understand the details. If you want the article from Golf Illustrated - PM me and I'll send it to you - Go Tommy YEE HAW!!!
For the four the years that I have been reading your posts....I've learned nothing. Zippo...
It's interesting....one minute you're saying how much you appreciate my input on this site and now you're giving me a hard time because of new information about swinging from Tommy that goes against your instruction.....talk about lack of crediblity....in my book it's the worst kind.
For the four the years that I have been reading your posts....I've learned nothing. Zippo...
DG
Dave,
You've summarized the whole problem and what everyone has been trying to tell you. Glad you finally figured it out. Don't worry too much about it - you had the same problem with Tommy. PM me when you get your next degree.
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I have seriously tried to be open-mided about DG's point of view and I have seriously tried to understand TT"s "right arm throw" action, but my understanding is handicapped by a lack of a detailed TGM-based description that is logically coherent and logically consistent.
Yoda
There is one part of TT's "right arm throw" action that I believe is practically possible - the idea of throwing the clubshaft down-and-out without a conscious pivot-driven move preceding the throw action. If it is practically possible - then I would like to understand the process better using TGM terminology and TGM mechanics/biomechanics. In a Ben Hogan style swing, the downswing action is pivot-driven, which means that the left arm moves secondary to the release of PA#4 (left arm is blasted into orbit when the pivot subsides). However, TT obviously throws the left arm downplane without using a pivot-driven release of PA#4 to move the left arm downplane. I am not implying that it's a desirable method of moving the left arm in the downswing. I merely acknowledge the fact that it is a possible method of executing a left arm swinging action and I am trying to understand it from a TGM perspective. Peter Croker also teaches a similar swing style, and I would like to better understand its strengths/weaknesses from a TGM perspective.
Dave,
You've summarized the whole problem and what everyone has been trying to tell you. Glad you finally figured it out. Don't worry too much about it - you had the same problem with Tommy. PM me when you get your next degree.
Mike....everytime I watch the Tomasello material I learn something new. The funny thing is....I am not the only one. There are a lot of forum members getting a lot out the Tomasello videos and interview. Your petty comments mean nothing to me Mike...everytime you make these silly little comments, it reminds me of the thing about Jack Nicklaus and Ben Hogan. Jack use to watch Hogan practice....Ben never watched Jack practice.
DG
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Mike....everytime I watch the Tomasello material I learn something new. The funny thing is....I am not the only one. There are a lot of forum members getting a lot out the Tomasello videos and interview. Your petty comments mean nothing to me Mike...everytime you make these silly little comments, it reminds me of the thing about Jack Nicklaus and Ben Hogan. Jack use to watch Hogan practice....Ben never watched Jack practice.
DG
Dave,
Petty indeed - It is just frustating to watch someone not be able to communciate their view clearly or acknowledge someone's else's view clearly -no communication - and then repeatedly say - just watch the video or read the article.
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Dave,
You've summarized the whole problem and what everyone has been trying to tell you. Glad you finally figured it out. Don't worry too much about it - you had the same problem with Tommy. PM me when you get your next degree.
For the four the years that I have been reading your posts....I've learned nothing. Zippo...
It's interesting....one minute you're saying how much you appreciate my input on this site and now you're giving me a hard time because of new information about swinging from Tommy that goes against your instruction.....talk about lack of crediblity....in my book it's the worst kind.
DG
Dave,
You must be the only member on this site, instructors included, who hasn't learned anything from Lynns 7000 + posts. It begs the question, why are you here?
Of course the answer is to promote Tom's teaching.
We are happy to promote Tom as well and don't have any problem with his teaching - The problem lies with your interpretation of Toms teaching. Your statements are always peppered with "I believe" this is what Tom meant, and those types of inferences can be challenged.
There is a living teacher here (who owns this site) with very deep and factual insights on TGM. I believe I'll listen and interact with him. Since you haven't listened to other instruction going back to the TGM site Chuck was running, you might consider starting your own commercial website.
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