Thanks for your response, which does help, but I still have a quandary of sorts, and not an unusual one.
You say: "The Address position for a swinger is the same for all clubs. The Hands are centered which causes the Left Wrist to be bent and the right wrist to be flat.....If you decide to cross over to the Dark Side (Become a Hitter ), then the precise amount of Right Wrist bend will be determined by ball location and will remained fixed at that degree of Bend throughout the Swing. Ball more forward, less bend, farther Back in your Stance then more right wrist Bend. It's not a lot, but it will vary enough to make a difference in Ball Striking."
In that sense, I am not a swinger, because of the characteristics named above, I do more [e.g., flat left wrist always, shaft leaning always, hands centered never] that is "hitter" than "swinger." Yet I have a hard time classifying myself as a hitter. Among other things, my swing is longish and fluid, very flat on the bottom, and even a full sand wedge from the fairway usually doesn't disturb the roots of the grass. But I DO have the "Extensor Action Take-Away and Right Forearm Fanning with a stationary Right Elbow."
Aside from terminology, or my being a hopeless hodgepodge of swing elements, can I effectively combine a varying [if also appropriate] degree of fixed-throughout-the-swing right wrist angle with the swinger elements of extensor takeaway, fanned right forearm, and fixed right elbow? Or would that be making a mess of things? -- JC
Aside from terminology, or my being a hopeless hodgepodge of swing elements, can I effectively combine a varying [if also appropriate] degree of fixed-throughout-the-swing right wrist angle with the swinger elements of extensor takeaway, fanned right forearm, and fixed right elbow? Or would that be making a mess of things? -- JC
What I proposed would be a change from your current procedure. If you want to use a Forward Press for awhile, then use one closer to the Driver, i.e. less Bend. Use it for all Clubs. Your nine Iron will go a little higher but you'll still be able to hit your four iron.
The problem with your forward press is that the start-up cannot easily work with a stationary Elbow fanning because your Right Elbow is generally more forward. Maybe not for you but generally it is with a forward press. But you can try. Who knows? You'll still beat the guys at the Country Club.
The Setup that you're describing is typical shoulder or Torso turn Takeaway, i.e. pretty typical Golf Digest Magazine. The one I described is radically different. If you are using Extensor action Take-away and Right Forearm Fanning, then I won't doubt you. But if so, then you'll notice a lack of continuity between start-up and the Backswing. Also, you need to manually Turn your Hands to plane at by the end of the Takeaway. Center Hand postition at address solves both of those issues.
I'm trying to get my brother to change, but even with my supervision I have to slap him around until he stops his old habits. He wants to fall back into old ways of the shoulder turn takeaway unless I point to every muscle to use first, second and third. He keeps wanting to use back muscles, biceps, trap muscles and still turn somewhat with his Torso. To tell ya how ingrained it is, he denies it even when I see him doing it. He hits the ball 300 yards so who am I to help him? Except I hate looking in the trees for his Drives and we never have to look for my ball. I would make an awful instructor.
Again, good analysis and useful responses, Daryl. Sounds like your brother and I have much in common, just not the 300-yard part.
Thanks for being patient with me. It's obvious I'm trying to graft parts of TGM onto my old swing action rather than taking the whole swing apart and beginning fresh. The grafting thing is tempting, though, because even the bits and pieces I've adopted so far have vastly improved my quality of contact and--when I align properly and remember to release--point-of-aim accuracy. For decades, I've been a golfer who aimed for the general vicinity of the green and relied on my short game to make pars from wherever the ball landed. All of a sudden, I'm hitting some long approaches every day that are exactly on line with the pin. Heady stuff. -- John
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