You said it, flip city. You're bending your left wrist through impact. So dont do that and you're fixed.
By allowing the clubhead to overtake your hands later in your swing and via a flat and rolling left wrist instead of bending one will see you return to form. Quickly.
I'm not exactly a prolific poster but I'm a long time lurker, so for sure I've read about 'educated hands', 'hand controlled pivot' etc. but I suppose I've never really understood what they mean!
I guess it's obvious, i.e. if you get your hands to do the correct thing everything else will follow? Or, if you're as good as Mr. Fort, not follow, however you choose.
So the proof, that the hands control it all, is this reverse pivot swing I guess? Also, maybe those guys I've seen hitting great shots whilst kneeling down or even one guy whilst kneeling on one of those big excercise ball thingys!
I'm gonna have to read up more on educated hands, and try harder, oh wait I'm quitting! Oh well not yet I guess...
First, don't try to figure out Ted Fort - it's a dark world there and very disturbing things happen! Leave it alone!
You need to find out why you have to flip- one purpose of the flip is to close the clubface - so those things that "open" the clubface are "flip enablers". The face on right hand swing- your clubface is really open to the mat line at impact fix. Watch out for the "flip enablers" - open face, weak grip, closed stance, etc. etc. Easy right? Whoa! why are you sliding back into those things after you initially made the change I talked about? Oh! you can't count on the new changes - you're more comfortable with the flip enablers and that pattern - those changes didn't immediately give you the same consistency- gotcha! Plus that strange feel- that can't be right - "I mean I must be looking really non-golf like in my motion right?"
Bucket- He says he is not a prolific poster - yet he's posted three times- please advise.
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Last edited by Mike O : 11-17-2009 at 08:20 AM.
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If you don't know how to use your Right Arm, it's impossible. That's the very reason that I tried the unusual. I was thinking of a fade-away jump shot in basketball and was curious if I could make a true "reverse pivot". I wanted a body motion that would be counterproductive. In practice and in teaching, I add things, remove things, and reverse things to find the effects.
There are those that comment on the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of Hitting. I've measured one of my "reverse pivot" drives at 250 yards with a Bushnell laser. It's no monster drive, but it shows that the Right Arm is capable. Add a small measure of a "normal" Pivot and watch the ball fly.
As an aside, the "reverse pivot" is a great way to get a bet.
If you don't know how to use your Right Arm, it's impossible. That's the very reason that I tried the unusual. I was thinking of a fade-away jump shot in basketball and was curious if I could make a true "reverse pivot". I wanted a body motion that would be counterproductive. In practice and in teaching, I add things, remove things, and reverse things to find the effects.
There are those that comment on the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of Hitting. I've measured one of my "reverse pivot" drives at 250 yards with a Bushnell laser. It's no monster drive, but it shows that the Right Arm is capable. Add a small measure of a "normal" Pivot and watch the ball fly.
As an aside, the "reverse pivot" is a great way to get a bet.
MR FORT!!!
Great to hear from you, I feel honored, honest!!!
Can you explain what you mean by "If you don't know how to use your Right Arm, it's impossible." It would be great if you could.
Do people really "comment on the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of Hitting." I don't get it, some of the greats are hitters aren't they? I have no idea if I'm right but isn't Trevino one?
Any chance you might look at my swing vids and offer input? I ain't pretty I realise...
Last edited by robmurf : 11-18-2009 at 08:46 PM.
Reason: spelling...
Rob, my two cents would be to suggest you go to Lynn's youtube channel and watch the lesson with Colin Neeman series of videos.
I would also suggest you check out any video of Lynn where he talks about hinge action.
Your swing isn't awful, a lot of it looks good and I'm sure all the AI's on here would love to get their (educated) mits on you because IMHO it wouldn't take them long to have you hitting piercing frozen ropes into the yonder!
If you don't have it, get "Alignment Golf", you will find it extremely useful, especially all the drills.
I should add that I am merely a seeker like yourself, I have no formal training whatsoever.
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Rob, my two cents would be to suggest you go to Lynn's youtube channel and watch the lesson with Colin Neeman series of videos.
I would also suggest you check out any video of Lynn where he talks about hinge action.
Your swing isn't awful, a lot of it looks good and I'm sure all the AI's on here would love to get their (educated) mits on you because IMHO it wouldn't take them long to have you hitting piercing frozen ropes into the yonder!
If you don't have it, get "Alignment Golf", you will find it extremely useful, especially all the drills.
I should add that I am merely a seeker like yourself, I have no formal training whatsoever.
Thanks fot the 2 cents GPS. I'll have to think about getting the Alignment Golf" DVD sent over here to Blighty!
I have indeed watched the Colin Neeman video and watched Yoda's hinge action vids, all numerous times.
Now and then i seem to hit the ball very very solid at the range (all my golf is at the range, i rarely play these days...) E.g. for the last couple of days it's felt really good, BUT and it's a big but, i can hit nice straight 7 irons 140 to maybe 145, my PW bang on 100 but that's it... that distance is no good, i see 12 year olds half my size zooming it past that. I can fly a 5 iron maybe 155, my driver maybe 200 max carry. so i just KNOW i can't be getting any lag with those numbers. damn frustrating for sure.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
You said it, flip city. You're bending your left wrist through impact. So dont do that and you're fixed.
By allowing the clubhead to overtake your hands later in your swing and via a flat and rolling left wrist instead of bending one will see you return to form. Quickly.
i really do get the CONCEPT of a flat and rolling wrist but boy do i seem to have a hard time gettin it done!
Can you explain what you mean by "If you don't know how to use your Right Arm, it's impossible." It would be great if you could.
Do people really "comment on the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of Hitting." I don't get it, some of the greats are hitters aren't they? I have no idea if I'm right but isn't Trevino one?
Any chance you might look at my swing vids and offer input? I ain't pretty I realise...
I don't know how many times I was told to "take my right side out of it." It was as if my right arm was supposed to be a ribbon flapping in the breeze behind as much "body turn" as I could create. I was never told that I could use my right arm. I was told to "turn and hold on." Lag was preventing the clubhead from passing instead of creating pressure through the pressure points in the hands.
But, times have changed. Hitting was an awakening for me.
Are you talking about videos that you've posted or sending videos for a lesson?
I don't know how many times I was told to "take my right side out of it." It was as if my right arm was supposed to be a ribbon flapping in the breeze behind as much "body turn" as I could create. I was never told that I could use my right arm. I was told to "turn and hold on." Lag was preventing the clubhead from passing instead of creating pressure through the pressure points in the hands.
But, times have changed. Hitting was an awakening for me.
Are you talking about videos that you've posted or sending videos for a lesson?
Hi YodasLuke
Thanks again for response; yes I was referring to the video links I put in my first post in this thread or as below.
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front as a righty...
DTL as my normal lefty
second DTL shot is after a lesson, aiming better but even though this angle doesn't show it i'm still the Mayor of Flip city!
The face-on is not great quality, not on youtube anyway. The DTL ones are better, but you really can't appreciate the true flippyness of my swing from that angle I guess, the lousy address position, weird plane and other horrors are there to see though! I'd say this one
is an accurate representation my golf swing on a good day... In other words, I seem not to be swinging too hard here, my rhythm seems ok, I don't seem to be swaying off the ball too much going back, and the ball is going pretty much where I expect it to (if NOT in line with my feet i realise!) but, as usual, not very far.
I CAN actually stand square or open, and seem to hit it not much worse, but for some reason this super closed stance is the way I've evolved, it feels a little better, and it's the way I get the least bad result.
If you want to see a better quality video of my front view swing (and not converted to right handed!) you can download it here http://www.project900.com/vids/111.avi
it's a biggish file at 40mb, but the better quality lets you see the hands and clubhead better. I don't know much about video file types but if i convert this to a .mov or something and upload it, I lose resolution.
It is my own attempted analysis of this front end shot of myself and looking at your 'reverse pivot' video that prompted me to start this whole thread!
What I mean by that is this, I can see a lot wrong in my swing, (e.g. starting with a big sway off the ball at take away) but for me the the big thing, that seems to stand out was, although I seem to make an 'ok' weight shift back towards the target, as I swing down, my forward hip slides laterally but does not turn/move back AT ALL, until well AFTER the ball has been struck. The knock on effect is, i'm completely in my own way coming back to the ball, and what to me, doesn't seem like too bad an initial start down, becomes a horrible throw of the club, a lifting action of my trail hip and foot, and in my attempt to stay 'down' on the shot, a real contortion through the ball really lacking in power, and often striking just before the ball etc. etc.
Sorry if this reply is a bit long; BUT even if my self analysis is dead wrong, and my belief that my pivot is a huge mess, and the likely cause of my flip, when i see your 'reverse pivot' video i think JEEZ, clearly if you CAN do that, then a good pivot must have nothing to do with hitting the ball beautifully! It all must be down to those 'Edumucated Mittens' as Okie put it in the first reply to this post.
So therein lies my confusion and my frustration. Just so you know I have hit hundreds and hundreds, probably thousands, of balls in this last year or so. I have watched your vids and Yoda's many many times and i've spent many hours trying to get a FLW but not to much avail...
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