__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
The Lag-meister claims that the Flat Left Wrist cannot be forced. That's "inventing a bad argument" only to disprove it. Who ever said that the Flat Left Wrist needed to be Forced?
Furthermore, he claims that the Flat Left Wrist is a byproduct. Does he tell you that it's a by-product of his Pivot Drive pulling the Left Arm and Clubshaft into a straight line? With a Force so strong as to Flatten the Left Wrist? I hardly would call that a "Vapor Trail". Would you?
What's the best way to avoid generating CF?.....Pulling in a straight line. That's what his Pivot-leg-thrust-ground-force is designed to do. Convenient argument. In other words.."Step on it and you won't be strong enough to bend the left wrist". Oh ya, that's smart. What would you do for a soft pitch shot?
If we learn the correct procedure, we don't need any mumbo-jumbo witch doctor remedies.
The Flat Left Wrist is easy. You have it at start-up, Backstroke, Top, Start Down, Release....now learn not to screw it up during Impact.
See..."Finish Swivel Video" in the Free Video section.
golfers throw their hands early because they have not learned how to fire them at the bottom... also, if the pivot accelerates post impact, it pins the left wrist into a flat alignment, then FLW becomes nothing more than a vapor trail effect.
The idea that you should try to force a FLW void of properly releasing the club, or learning proper pivot action is absurd.
[it] would be like looking into the sky, and seeing a white vapor trail behind an airplane and saying.. airplanes fly through the sky because they have white vapor coming out of the rear of them.. if you just blow some white vapor out the back, that's all you have to do to fly a plane in the sky.
This is a direct quote of John's.
I'm not trying to start arguments, I think we are grown up enough to discuss this without resorting to childish taunts of 'gibberish'. If the physics are there, then they are there. If not, then they are not.
As I said I am not trying to provoke a fight and I hope that John doesn't mind me quoting him here, in truth it could cost me a friendship.
I would like to hear from some of the other machine heads on this subject as well, especially our great green one if he is not too busy.
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
I'm not trying to start arguments, I think we are grown up enough to discuss this without resorting to childish taunts of 'gibberish'. If the physics are there, then they are there. If not, then they are not.
As I said I am not trying to provoke a fight and I hope that John doesn't mind me quoting him here, in truth it could cost me a friendship.
I would like to hear from some of the other machine heads on this subject as well, especially our great green one if he is not too busy.
Gibberish is a grown-up word.
GP, please start this in a new thread in "The Lab". Otherwise it's thread-jacking. The Lab might be a good place to discuss new methods that aren't TGM related. Perhaps this is a question for your close friend John? It is afterall his method and he is a self-proclaimed TGM Expert.
The Lag-meister claims that the Flat Left Wrist cannot be forced. That's "inventing a bad argument" only to disprove it. Who ever said that the Flat Left Wrist needed to be Forced?
Furthermore, he claims that the Flat Left Wrist is a byproduct. Does he tell you that it's a by-product of his Pivot Drive pulling the Left Arm and Clubshaft into a straight line? With a Force so strong as to Flatten the Left Wrist? I hardly would call that a "Vapor Trail". Would you?
What's the best way to avoid generating CF?.....Pulling in a straight line. That's what his Pivot-leg-thrust-ground-force is designed to do. Convenient argument. In other words.."Step on it and you won't be strong enough to bend the left wrist". Oh ya, that's smart. What would you do for a soft pitch shot?
If we learn the correct procedure, we don't need any mumbo-jumbo witch doctor remedies.
The Flat Left Wrist is easy. You have it at start-up, Backstroke, Top, Start Down, Release....now learn not to screw it up during Impact.
See..."Finish Swivel Video" in the Free Video section.
GP, please start this in a new thread in "The Lab". Otherwise it's thread-jacking. The Lab might be a good place to discuss new methods that aren't TGM related. Perhaps this is a question for your close friend John? It is afterall his method and he is a self-proclaimed TGM Expert.
Daryl, as one of the most prominent thread jackers on the site, I find your request to move humerous and no more.
I'm sure a debate with you would be interesting but you demonstrate time and time again a lack of patience and whats more a lack of grace when talking to or about people whose opinions differ from your own.
I can do without such rudeness.
Good day sir
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
Daryl, as one of the most prominent thread jackers on the site, I find your request to move humerous and no more.
I'm sure a debate with you would be interesting but you demonstrate time and time again a lack of patience and whats more a lack of grace when talking to or about people whose opinions differ from your own.
I can do without such rudeness.
Good day sir
What did I say that was so wrong? Did I hurt your feelings?
....Hmm? Does that mean that you'd rather Jack this thread than start one of your own? Why?
Don't you think that the Lab is a good place to discuss non-TGM related theories? Do you not think his Theory is up to Peer Scrutiny?
I have spoken with lag on a few occasions about how the wrist becomes aligned as Flat when the pivot is driving hard.
He has awesome ideas on this and the 'self proclaimed' tgm expert is only from the fact the Mr doyle taught him for many years.
Daryl, I was also following the thread on lag's site where you 2 didn't see eye to eye. I respected both sides of that debate.
I also have reviewed everything in the forums (all three forums including Lag's, Iseekgolf and Sevam1) and I'm familiar with the procedure. I don't doubt the Physics or geometry of the procedure but I do caution about its efficacy and its reliance on changing significant components of the golf swing to apply the procedure and then having to adopt a different stroke pattern for approach and chip shots. Additionally, Lag bends the Left Wrist and he needs "A Way" to Flatten it before Impact. Whether it's done his way or any one of a dozen other ways, TGM says that if one acquires the FLW during Start-up you'll have it for Impact. How simple is that?
One of the most significant contributions of the Golfing Machine is being able to use the same stroke pattern throughout the game by reducing or zero-ing out components rather than adopting 5 different swings to play one round of Golf. It's not the "Long Ball" syndrome; more muscle equals distance. TGM means more Pressure equals more power.
You're too kind in calling that "schizophrenic clash" a debate. It was about the "Stationary head" as I recall. Or was it about debunking TGM and it's adherents?
I requested that GPStyles start a new thread in the "Lab". That way, we can ask him questions and he can explain the Physics and Procedures. But, I can understand why he doesn't feel up to the task. Obviously, he fears supporting a point of view in which he lacks sufficient knowledge, otherwise he wouldn't need to resort to personal attacks on me (naturally unsubstantiated) for lack of a better cause.
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