But when you put the whole thing together for the Swinger it'll feel like the Golfers flail from Top to Finish. The feeling of uncocking or hammering on plane and then rolling the #3 Angle. All done with proper Rhythm which mandates a flat left wrist. Lose the Flat left wrist and lose Rhythm. Try hitting some left arm only pitches to feel it. You'll notice its hard to get the left arm up to Top while your at it.............one reason Homer didnt like a left arm pick up. You can take it up with two arms attached and then drop the right off the club at Top if you want to keep the RFT. Thats what I do. Its like a pull back and a pull down then. Its good left arm flail training. I have a feeling that Homer did a lot of this sort of thing. Right arm only too. Seve says he did when he was young, maybe one reason why he had an RFT as well.
Roll that flat left wrist. How much? I asked Yoda once. "This much" was his firm reply as he demonstrated 1-L-6. It was an epiphany for me , a poor golfer who had gone back and forth between too much and too little Turn and Roll for years.
Alignment Golf , its without parallel. (A little play on words there, sorry)
Roll that flat left wrist. How much? I asked Yoda once. "This much" was his firm reply as he demonstrated 1-L-6. It was an epiphany for me , a poor golfer who had gone back and forth between too much and too little Turn and Roll for years.
Alignment Golf , its without parallel. (A little play on words there, sorry)
Please quantify "This much" because I see 1-L-6 going from horizon to horizon.
Could the Johny Miller comment ment the motion had arrived at "pure" horizontal hinge 5" before impact?
Please quantify "This much" because I see 1-L-6 going from horizon to horizon.
Could the Johny Miller comment ment the motion had arrived at "pure" horizontal hinge 5" before impact?
The Bear
I see it from horizon to horizon too , like a perspective drawing.
In regard to "this much".......it was my first lesson with Yoda. I had gone back and forth for years on turning or not turning my left forearm in Startup. I had no appreciation for Alignments they were "moves" that sometimes worked but often didnt. The "this much" Yoda showed me at that time was solely based on 1-L-6, keeping one end of the club or the other pointed at the base line, plane line. It was a revelation to me. Later I would learn of the different Hinge Actions and how any of the Three Zones can effect Horizontal Hinging .......it was "in the beginning" so to speak.
As for Johnny Millers remark, I dont think so Bear. I heard Johnny's comment about the "five inches" during the Sunday broadcast of the final round of the US Open. It was a sort of general statement about the swing, I think while he was critiquing Dustins swing. I heard it once , live , Id like to re hear to make sure, but my take at the time was that he was prescribing a "five inch" section of the clubfaces travel during impact where it should stay pointed straight at the hole. Which would be Steering. Type one Steering. Which Homer would say would produce a cut shot.
Im with Homer on that one. You can easily see it in little chip shots with Vertical Hinging after all. Let alone a driver.
that does make sense, the putting arc is a good analogy. I do understand that as the club moves back and up (and back down) the inclined plane its moving along an arc even though a plane is a straight line (at least my understanding). I just have never seen a benefit of the visual equivalent in hitting the golf ball, which I assume is a lack of my understanding rather than an inadequate procedure.
When I swing down I don't see a blur, don't see anything. If I had to pick something out that I might be draw to its the arc my hands are making. When I practice seeing the blur of the clubhead I get steering.
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I need to restate and define:
The root of my concerns are related to –Swinging, horizontal hinging, sequenced release and TRUSTING my stroke to properly manipulate CF.
All with, a flat left wrist, lag pressure point and straight plane line all with “reasonable” balance, rhythm and a stationary head.
This thread relates a “through impact” condition, prior thread relates “roll starts where”.
Well, to me, they both relate to the same . IMPACT alignment(s).
The horizontal hinge rolls through impact with the rhythm of #3 accumulator transfer power made up of the residual #2 accumulator .
There are a Gazillion ways to do this and manipulations and adjustment and synchronizing and sequencing events occurring and methods of doing them. From the feet to the first joint on my index finger to my brain which TELLS me what to do, lets/makes it happen and evaluates it before I come to rest at finish.
The question in my mind is because every swing with every club of all lengths at a broad range of speeds each requires a different plan.
The narrow aspect of this is. What is a reasonable distance/interval prior to impact to have established impact alignment? Do I use release type, aiming point, etc. all of the above.
Or is it risk tolerance and trust on how close I cut it?
Because if late miss it is cut to right field but early it is snap to left field.
Maybe The answer is trial and error then lots of practice- BUT isn’t that where I was before TGM? With the expectations that IMPROVED alignments will make the difference?
The Bear
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If you adhere to the "Power Package" theory, then the answer rests with the Alignments and assembly of the Power Package. Flat Left Wrist, Bent Right Wrist, Left Arm Wedge, Right Arm Wedge, and Left Arm and Right Forearm Wedges Aligned 90 degrees to each other. Release occurs while the Right Arm is Straightening without Changing those Alignments (Including Putting).
Given a parallel Stance, Plane and Target Line, then:
Single Wrist Action, Aligns the Power Package by the End of Start-up. These Alignments remain undisturbed until Both Arms become Straight during Follow-Through.
Standard Wrist Action Aligns the Power Package by the Beginning of the Backstroke. These Alignments remain undisturbed until Both Arms become Straight during Follow-Through.
Double Wrist Action Aligns the Power Package one Split Second before Impact. These Alignments remain undisturbed until Both Arms become Straight during Follow-Through.
Standard Wrist Action Aligns the Power Package by the Beginning of the Backstroke. These Alignments remain undisturbed until Both Arms become Straight during Follow-Through.
Double Wrist Action Aligns the Power Package one Split Second before Impact. These Alignments remain undisturbed until Both Arms become Straight during Follow-Through.
May be an answer there. I do try and keep the clubface on plane until and into release. Makes left wrist cup as arm points below plane, Double. will test standard. but that will make pp3 feel partially rotated to behind shaft at start of release. will try that as first experiment as it should prevent any "hunting" with left wrist if that is what I am doing.
I need to restate and define:
The root of my concerns are related to –Swinging, horizontal hinging, sequenced release and TRUSTING my stroke to properly manipulate CF.
All with, a flat left wrist, lag pressure point and straight plane line all with “reasonable” balance, rhythm and a stationary head.
This thread relates a “through impact” condition, prior thread relates “roll starts where”.
Well, to me, they both relate to the same . IMPACT alignment(s).
The horizontal hinge rolls through impact with the rhythm of #3 accumulator transfer power made up of the residual #2 accumulator .
There are a Gazillion ways to do this and manipulations and adjustment and synchronizing and sequencing events occurring and methods of doing them. From the feet to the first joint on my index finger to my brain which TELLS me what to do, lets/makes it happen and evaluates it before I come to rest at finish.
The question in my mind is because every swing with every club of all lengths at a broad range of speeds each requires a different plan.
The narrow aspect of this is. What is a reasonable distance/interval prior to impact to have established impact alignment? Do I use release type, aiming point, etc. all of the above.
Or is it risk tolerance and trust on how close I cut it?
Because if late miss it is cut to right field but early it is snap to left field.
Maybe The answer is trial and error then lots of practice- BUT isn’t that where I was before TGM? With the expectations that IMPROVED alignments will make the difference?
The Bear
Wow. Thats some question.
I like D's answer from a Power Package perspective. But from a clubface perspective , since you are assuming Horizontal, that face is in the process of closing and so it doesnt arrive at its Impact Alignment until Impact.
Scary stuff when you think about it like this. In a similar regard, Homer told his GSEM class in 1982 that he had no idea how the pros could make such things happen on a regular basis. But as he noted , they were the performers and he was the researcher. Indeed how did Tiger or Seve or any childhood wunderkind get the job done? I can assure you it was not with an intellectual application of golf science but by FEEL. And thats where Homer's book eventually takes you as it must. It is the only way to PLAY (as opposed to Practice).
Bear, you can adjust the aiming point given the length of the lever , the club you are swinging and the rate at which it wants to change ends. That is one helpful bit of machine adjustment, science. I noticed how you bolded the word "TRUST". CF does seek to pull into a straight line the left arm and club, in a flail like fashion ....and so, if you are Swinging then I like George Knudson's thought that YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP CONTROL TO GAIN CONTROL. (His balance was pretty impeccable too).
Is there a chance you are disrupting CF in some manner? Swinging and employing a Release Trigger, a Throw that you sometimes over do? Do you have problems with Over Acceleration with certain clubs, the longer ones? Are your Wrists tension free? Do you place more emphasis on a mechanic than on balance? Maybe its just your time to set yourself free? To give up control. To start Playing the game instead of Practicing.
Try swinging super slow , but heavy with Lag that you sense at the #3 and go to an Automatic Release. Try swinging like Bobby Jones for a while and see if things dont work out on their own. Lagging Takeaway, Float Loading, 3/4 swings that you will find go quite a distance. You'll wonder why you dont just do that all the time..........maybe you should. Or maybe its just an exercise in freedom of motion.
My apologies if this is way off the mark. The short answer would have been........"yes Trust, FEEL by any and all means. Those guys on tour arent thinking about mechanics, not when they're playing well anyways."
I like D's answer from a Power Package perspective. But from a clubface perspective , since you are assuming Horizontal, that face is in the process of closing and so it doesnt arrive at its Impact Alignment until Impact.
My Poor communication skills-I would never be a good instructor What I mean to say is Vertical hinge, closing only and the sweet spot on plane. 2-C-1 with a little more forward lean on the shaft at impact- no compromise acceptable to me .
Scary stuff when you think about it like this. In a similar regard, Homer told his GSEM class in 1982 that he had no idea how the pros could make such things happen on a regular basis. But as he noted , they were the performers and he was the researcher. Indeed how did Tiger or Seve or any childhood wunderkind get the job done? I can assure you it was not with an intellectual application of golf science but by FEEL. And thats where Homer's book eventually takes you as it must. It is the only way to PLAY (as opposed to Practice).
Bear, you can adjust the aiming point given the length of the lever , the club you are swinging and the rate at which it wants to change ends. That is one helpful bit of machine adjustment, science. I noticed how you bolded the word "TRUST". CF does seek to pull into a straight line the left arm and club, in a flail like fashion ....and so, if you are Swinging then I like George Knudson's thought that YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP CONTROL TO GAIN CONTROL. (His balance was pretty impeccable too).
Is there a chance you are disrupting CF in some manner? YES Swinging and employing a Release Trigger, a Throw that you sometimes over do? NO-UNDERDO Do you have problems with Over Acceleration with certain clubs, the longer ones? NO- but that can creep in with ease and there are days that it is hard to correct- but not included here. Are your Wrists tension free? Do you place more emphasis on a mechanic than on balance? Maybe its just your time to set yourself free? To give up control. To start Playing the game instead of Practicing.
I AM STUCK IN CHAPTER # (3-B,C mostly)
Try swinging super slow , but heavy with Lag that you sense at the #3 and go to an Automatic Release. Try swinging like Bobby Jones for a while and see if things dont work out on their own. Lagging Takeaway, Float Loading, 3/4 swings that you will find go quite a distance. You'll wonder why you dont just do that all the time..........maybe you should. Or maybe its just an exercise in freedom of motion.
I do that sometimes and it is OK- BUT- As For me, being a bad example in this modern day, golf is a MACHO game. I started with persimmon and Arnold Palmer. I also have a #1 iron, several in fact, and there are days when I can actually make it “sing” and that makes me happy.
My apologies if this is way off the mark. The short answer would have been........"yes Trust, FEEL by any and all means. Those guys on tour arent thinking about mechanics, not when they're playing well anyways."
Thanks, but I like the long answers, the short answers are in Golf Digest every month and they do nothing but sell magazines.
can you expound more on this statement, not sure I have heard this before?
-holding the Clubhead on the Target Line.......covering the Target Line as opposed to Tracing the Plane Line with its accompanying Visual Equivalent the Arc or Angle of Approach.
Hybrid Mode
