Guys I know we're supposed to be talking about Exit Plane but .......this is good stuff, it does relate. " What exactly are the Elbow and TSP planes. "
They get used really loosely , lets tighten em up definition wise. Its necessary, Id say, for proper discussions. Man I used to give Mike O a hard time about always defining things before discussing .........now Im Mr. Definition too. It works well at home too..... "Ah Honey what exactly do you mean when you tell me to "shut up" ? "
Anyhow ,if one of you have a picture from the yellow book for 10-6-A Elbow Plane please put it up. You'll see the Plane Board runs from the ball to the point where Diane's Right Elbow touches her side.
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10-6-A ELBOW Where the Right Elbow touches the waist is the reference point used for this Plane Angle. It is the “flattest” normal Plane that will still allow the Right Forearm to be On Plane during Impact. This should produce a very flat Angle of Attack (2-B) with reduced Backspin and should be avoided for Short Shots unless it is also part of your Full Stroke Pattern. The Elbow Plane allows maximum #3 Accumulator requiring earlier Release per 6-N-0. This procedure is executed by the Right Forearm per 7-3 and 10-6-B and Elbow Location per 6-B-3-0-1.
I dunno, I could be way wrong but it seems like there's one place where the elbow touches the side and a whole range of plane angles which the Right Forearm and Clubshaft can get on (between TSP and Elbow theoretically, if not practically).
Guys I know we're supposed to be talking about Exit Plane but .......this is good stuff, it does relate. " What exactly are the Elbow and TSP planes. "
They get used really loosely , lets tighten em up definition wise.
Agree- we got to nail this down before going on!
I will try and be simple and precise- (wish me luck)
That EP is going to swing around and get "steeper" and #2 and #3 are going to vanish. We are going to have both arms straight and pointed at the extended plane line. We will be on A TSP. We are going to call this beautifull place "follow-through".
From there we will swivel and glide on up to finish.
Hold-Rest, our work is done. How does it look? We "hope"? maybe with alignments we can change hope to understanding?? Ya think?.
Whether the clubshaft plane angle gets steeper, more shallow or stays the same after impact depends on what you do with your PP's pressure through impact and beyond. I think.
Whether the clubshaft plane angle gets steeper, more shallow or stays the same after impact depends on what you do with your PP's pressure through impact and beyond. I think.
Thanks BerntR
That's "kind-of" why I put "steeper" in quotes. Feel steeper, (Hogan?) works also- This thread may get to that also??
I am pretty sure that in a well executed stroke with a "heavy" right hand on the shaft the right forearm will be on plane whether you're swinging on TSP, EP or something inbetween.
Look at Jim Furyk and Moe Norman. They are probably as far apart plane wise through impact as you get. Yet, both have the RF on plane through impact. The difference will be how close to your right hip the elbow goes.
There are a few good golfers who has the right forearm slightly under plane through impact. I attribute that to a "late hit" timing.
I am pretty sure that in a well executed stroke with a "heavy" right hand on the shaft the right forearm will be on plane whether you're swinging on TSP, EP or something inbetween.
Look at Jim Furyk and Moe Norman. They are probably as far apart plane wise through impact as you get. Yet, both have the RF on plane through impact. The difference will be how close to your right hip the elbow goes.
For sure. You're talking Right Forearm Flying Wedge there and I totally agree. The only stumbling block so far in our march towards the identification of an ideal exit plane , if there is an ideal exit plane, is the definition of Elbow , TSP etc. It been a thing for me for a while now , so lets get er done once and for all.
(Then we can run wild on other forums correcting people and getting em all mad at us and using weird capitalizations and terminology and stuff. Some of which we make up for the occasion.............) Lynn how do insert smilie faces I cant even get "The Shadow of your Smile" E faces working here.
Whether the clubshaft plane angle gets steeper, more shallow or stays the same after impact depends on what you do with your PP's pressure through impact and beyond. I think.
My contention without being contentious, is that the Pulley System describes what Plane is being used for the start and the exit.
Is that like saying "rain is wet?" If it is, I'm sorry.
I'm trying to be technical and, well, it's not a naturally given skill.
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"Remember the Right Forearm is not “On Plane” unless the Right Elbow also is still – or again – On Plane (2-F)."
Because you leave -starting backswing- from impact fix and return to prior to impact. Chipping, you stay on EP
The/A TSP is a 1-L plane that also touches the right shoulder at TOP/END.
Hope I'm close to right.
The Bear
Im all for the Right Forearm being on Plane , I love the alignment personally. "No, you cant take that away from me".
I can work under either definition of Elbow Plane but lets ask Yoda for clarification and work under his definition.
"Yoda, if the Right Elbow is on Plane (through impact) is that an Elbow Plane? Despite the fact the Elbow and Shaft can align to higher planes such as the TSP per Homer. Does that make for a Elbow/TS Plane? How 'bout TSP is there a range?"
We "hope"? maybe with alignments we can change hope to understanding?? Ya think?.
Hybrid Mode
