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Old 12-23-2011, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
What the Colon Saunders said there.... and

Research Homers Lag Pressure which relates to Acceleration and Mass. It is not the same as common golf speak's "lag " or left wrist cock. One is a pressure measured in psi the other is an angle measured in degrees.

#3 can not precede #2. They can go at the same time however or #2 can go first. It relates to the physics of Hitting vs Swinging. If you thrust on the aft of the shaft against #1pp you will roll #3 yes and #2 will get thrown out in the process with some help from the direction of thrust and the pull of CF. Simultaneous Release. No way around it either. Swingers can with their left hand turned to plane throwout #2 down plane however with the #3 firing later . Sequenced. These are different applications of the wooden golfers flail that Lynn and Homer used for demonstrative purposes. The golfers flail being different than the farmers flail in that no horizontal left hand motion is allowed, possible given its construction.


To undo #2 angle is to accelerate the club head . Homer called it Velocity Power. Makes sense to me that power and velocity are good things to apply to the ball so with that in mind why do we try to hang on to it? Delayed Release of #2 should have no "hanging on to it". Wouldn't do that with a hammer when striking a nail. Hammer the thing hard. Its not how hard you hang on to it but how hard you uncock it (later being better of course, smaller pulley wheel )

This is non automatic (left wrist throw) swinger type thinking. The golfers flail for the swinger. Uncock hard towards the plane line and then let it roll over . Uncock then roll. Sequenced or as MJ points overlapped to some degree.

PS don't try the hard hammering thing without a roll at the bottom .... a hard left wrist throw with a hold off can hurt your left wrist... .
I correct myself, I should have said in there release of pa3 AFTER start-down/transition.

I understand what you're saying. But I tend to prefer rotational power than velocity power. Why? It's because I don't think there's any need to put your mind on pa2 release. It will release no matter what you do. It won't only if you don't roll/release pa3 and you just make a pure lateral/horizontal motion of your body and left hand.

But once you roll that pa3, pa2 WILL release. Maybe for people who can't turn their body for whatever physical limitations, velocity power is the priority. But for those who really turn, who really pivots, rotational power is definitely the way. Power would in my estimation be almost the same. The difference is ACCURACY. Hitting the sweet spot more often. Which if you have, you can give it all you've got.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by brianid View Post
I correct myself, I should have said in there release of pa3 AFTER start-down/transition.

I understand what you're saying. But I tend to prefer rotational power than velocity power. Why? It's because I don't think there's any need to put your mind on pa2 release. It will release no matter what you do. It won't only if you don't roll/release pa3 and you just make a pure lateral/horizontal motion of your body and left hand.

But once you roll that pa3, pa2 WILL release. Maybe for people who can't turn their body for whatever physical limitations, velocity power is the priority. But for those who really turn, who really pivots, rotational power is definitely the way. Power would in my estimation be almost the same. The difference is ACCURACY. Hitting the sweet spot more often. Which if you have, you can give it all you've got.

did you get the book yet?
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Old 12-24-2011, 05:51 AM
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did you get the book yet?
Was excited/hoping to read it this holidays, but hasn't come yet. May have been a blessing, if it arrived I would now be having headaches all day. You'll know, if I stopped reading/online/posting means got it already. Probably stop posting for...what?...2 years?
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Old 12-24-2011, 05:55 AM
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Was excited/hoping to read it this holidays, but hasn't come yet. May have been a blessing, if it arrived I would now be having headaches all day. You'll know, if I stopped reading/online/posting means got it already. Probably stop posting for...what?...2 years?
Or on the contrary: A lot questions about what this means and how it works...
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Old 12-25-2011, 12:40 PM
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Was excited/hoping to read it this holidays, but hasn't come yet. May have been a blessing, if it arrived I would now be having headaches all day. You'll know, if I stopped reading/online/posting means got it already. Probably stop posting for...what?...2 years?
When you read it, you will learn that you can't have a lot of #3 and keep the left wrist level!
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Old 12-25-2011, 01:01 PM
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interesting how the hockey player hits the ice first, the ice being hard deflects the stick and the kick of the shaft in that short distance between hitting the ground and the puck, golf being quite different as we stress the shaft with the loading action, without any ground resistance until post-impact as golfers hit the ball first, then the ground. hopefully!

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Old 12-25-2011, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
When you read it, you will learn that you can't have a lot of #3 and keep the left wrist level!
Why? Why? Why?
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
When you read it, you will learn that you can't have a lot of #3 and keep the left wrist level!
Why is lots of pa3 inconsistent with level left wrist? Care to elaborate that MJ? Higan has both. I find it hard to believe they're inconsistent. You think same goes true for lots of pa3 angle and level left wrist?

For JUST pa3 (with no acute pa3 angle), maybe they're inconsistent. That I can dig, I think, for now, without the yellow book. If you want the power of pa3 roll, and you've got not much pa3 angle, makes sense not having a level left wrist because you need velocity power from pa2, hence you would have to fully unc0ck your left wrist beyond level to maximize pa2 velocity power.

But if you got acute pa3 angle, your pa3 rotational power would be enough, no need for pa2 velocity power because you've already got huge/longer clubhead travel, hence momentum before hitting the ball is bigger. But to roll that pa3, you've got to have level left wrist, otherwise you will be shortening the arc and lessening the pa3 angle, thereby removing the longer clubhead travel/arc and slower clubface closure rate, respectively, brought about by the acute pa3 angle.

What do you think MJ?
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by brianid View Post
Why is lots of pa3 inconsistent with level left wrist?

But if you got acute pa3 angle, your pa3 rotational power would be enough, no need for pa2 velocity power because you've already got huge/longer clubhead travel, hence momentum before hitting the ball is bigger. But to roll that pa3, you've got to have level left wrist

What do you think MJ?
With the left wrist level, the #3 angle is whatever it is, no adjustment is possible. To increase #3, you must cock the left wrist bringing the shaft closer to the forearm, but then the left wrist is no longer level. The wrist cannot be both cocked and level at the same time.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
With the left wrist level, the #3 angle is whatever it is, no adjustment is possible. To increase #3, you must cock the left wrist bringing the shaft closer to the forearm, but then the left wrist is no longer level. The wrist cannot be both cocked and level at the same time.
Yes you can. While the left wrist is level, without c0cking or unc0cking it, you can adjust the pa3 angle.

The butt of the grip is trapped under the palm heel pad. That's a constant. Now, to adjust the pa3 angle, all you have to do is move the portion of the grip lying on the other side of the hand/palm. With your left palm in shake hands position, you just lower that portion of the grip (more down away from the palm, more towards or actually ON the index finger) while keeping the butt of grip trapped on heel pad and you'll get lesser pa3 angle. To have more pa3 angle, while keeping the butt of grip trapped under the heel pad, you move up or higher the portion of the grip on the other side of the palm/hand (more towards the palm, away from index finger).

There you go MJ.
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