Sounds promising. Right Hip Turns Left to start the Down Stroke. Left heel becomes planted. That's a good one.
43 degrees. Not so good. But daring.
Did you win?
...But he still lost 5 holes to 3 with no strokes given!
I nailed lots of straight balls yesterday with driver, 3 wood and hybrids but missed some conversions of putts and chips.
And by sliding the ball in a straight line of a couple of inches back toward my right foot I will pick up some "hoopah!" But the ball is so close to me it feels almost inside the width of the turn of my shoulder!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
...But he still lost 5 holes to 3 with no strokes given!
I nailed lots of straight balls yesterday with driver, 3 wood and hybrids but missed some conversions of putts and chips.
And by sliding the ball in a straight line of a couple of inches back toward my right foot I will pick up some "hoopah!" But the ball is so close to me it feels almost inside the width of the turn of my shoulder!
ICT
Hmm, then maybe just move it back. Judge how far away by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach at Impact Fix. It will establish the correct Plane Angle for you Approach. Really cool. So, if your Forearm is on an Elbow Plane the Ball will be a little farther from your Stance Line than if your Forearm is on a Turned Shoulder Plane which located the Plane Line a bit closer to your Stance Line for a Steeper Plane.
Hmm, then maybe just move it back. Judge how far away by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach at Impact Fix. It will establish the correct Plane Angle for you Approach. Really cool. So, if your Forearm is on an Elbow Plane the Ball will be a little farther from your Stance Line than if your Forearm is on a Turned Shoulder Plane which located the Plane Line a bit closer to your Stance Line for a Steeper Plane.
Signing out from PLANE Philadelphia!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Hmm, then maybe just move it back. Judge how far away by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach at Impact Fix. It will establish the correct Plane Angle for you Approach. Really cool. So, if your Forearm is on an Elbow Plane the Ball will be a little farther from your Stance Line than if your Forearm is on a Turned Shoulder Plane which located the Plane Line a bit closer to your Stance Line for a Steeper Plane.
I'm sorry for the rest of the people who have already gotten the difference between the Hand Positions and the correct Plane Angle of Approach, but I just got it! Hands to shoulder, TSP, steeper angle, feels like I'm covering the ball with my shoulder -very powerful! It's amazing how different the feelings between that TSP swing and the Elbow Plane swing!
Thanks Daryl!
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
I've read the many excellent posts on this thread and am happy to comment. Not sure where to jump in!
If you have a question you feel is unanswered -- or answered less than adequately -- please post, and I'll do my best to supply.
One of the latest issues is whether or not the Hands are On Plane from Release to Follow through.
This discussion seems to center around the definition of "Plane". One of us seems to think that the "Plane" intersects the Left Shoulder and the Ball and therefore the Hands are "Off Plane" at Impact any time the Primary Lever is not in a straight line (no elbow bend, zero wrist cock, with the club shaft running up the arm kind of straight).
Although I've tried to help by offering Homer Kelley quotations and a beautifully written synopsis of the 3 major Planes and how they're aligned in the Golf Swing, I've been painfully unsuccessful.
Could you recommend a Doctor and Medical Clinic? For me. There's no hope for him.
One of the latest issues is whether or not the Hands are On Plane from Release to Follow through.
This discussion seems to center around the definition of "Plane". One of us seems to think that the "Plane" intersects the Left Shoulder and the Ball and therefore the Hands are "Off Plane" at Impact any time the Primary Lever is not in a straight line (no elbow bend, zero wrist cock, with the club shaft running up the arm kind of straight).
Although I've tried to help by offering Homer Kelley quotations and a beautifully written synopsis of the 3 major Planes and how they're aligned in the Golf Swing, I've been painfully unsuccessful.
Could you recommend a Doctor and Medical Clinic? For me. There's no hope for him.
In the book Homer assumes the shaft or more correctly the LCOG (from #3pp to Sweetpot) to travel the inclined plane for plane compliance. But in the audio tapes he discusses a procedure where the Clubhead only travels the Inclined Plane. This latter procedure allows the Clubhead to travel up the Turned Shoulder Plane immediately in Startup . Making for a Clubhead only Inclined Plane of motion with no shift necessary and leaving the Hands beneath the Inclined Plane in Startup. (Not my cup of tea BTW and not what Lynn teaches his students). He also stated that the clubhead only plane of motion was a necessity for complying with the true Angle of Approach Procedure. "Its a clubhead only plane of motion" said Homer. "A Vertical Plane " , "well almost vertical".
But ...... this is probably of little use to anyone except those trying to fully understand the GEOMETRY of the true Angle of Approach PROCEDURE. So far historically , there are probably only a handful of people in that group. Maybe less. Maybe only one, Homer himself. Ted Fort has used the "true" Angle of Approach Procedure in professional tournament play.
BTW it could be argued that everything has an "angle of approach" ... the Right Forearm, the right hip, the right knee , the left testaclese assuming you have one ... Lets not confuse the true Delivery Line of the ClubHEAD Angle of Approach Procedure with any other components "angle of approach", Right Forearm or or or .....Molson Muscle (beer belly).
Short version , if you''re swinging and using a lot of turning and letting things free wheel , unmanipulated so to speak, you are probably planing the LCOG , Sweetspot Plane and thats what we should assume when discussing this the most common of golf procedures. With a Right Forearm angle of approach in mind or a left side Primary Lever Flail action or whatever.
So -many planes:
Get them all "guessed" at FIX and they all change at impact.
Here is a big one.
COG pull causes toe down at speed.
The shaft is now bent in an arc.
the grip now points, not at the hossel, not at the cog but, because it is a tangent to the arc of the bent shaft caused at toe down, out beyond the toe of the clubhead. But how much? What is the correction? how is it added? Tell me what becomes the feel at pp #3?
Not an Easy Riddle.
Hint- I have posted the solution as I see it some time ago.
In the book Homer assumes the shaft or more correctly the LCOG (from #3pp to Sweetpot) to travel the inclined plane for plane compliance. But in the audio tapes he discusses a procedure where the Clubhead only travels the Inclined Plane. This latter procedure allows the Clubhead to travel up the Turned Shoulder Plane immediately in Startup . Making for a Clubhead only Inclined Plane of motion with no shift necessary and leaving the Hands beneath the Inclined Plane in Startup. (Not my cup of tea BTW and not what Lynn teaches his students). He also stated that the clubhead only plane of motion was a necessity for complying with the true Angle of Approach Procedure. "Its a clubhead only plane of motion" said Homer. "A Vertical Plane " , "well almost vertical".
But ...... this is probably of little use to anyone except those trying to fully understand the GEOMETRY of the true Angle of Approach PROCEDURE. So far historically , there are probably only a handful of people in that group. Maybe less. Maybe only one, Homer himself. Ted Fort has used the "true" Angle of Approach Procedure in professional tournament play.
To illustrate the ideas behind the swing plane, I tried once to explain the Angle of Approach procedure in a general golf forum. To say the least I had very little success !
In the book Homer assumes the shaft or more correctly the LCOG (from #3pp to Sweetpot) to travel the inclined plane for plane compliance. But in the audio tapes he discusses a procedure where the Clubhead only travels the Inclined Plane. This latter procedure allows the Clubhead to travel up the Turned Shoulder Plane immediately in Startup . Making for a Clubhead only Inclined Plane of motion with no shift necessary and leaving the Hands beneath the Inclined Plane in Startup. (Not my cup of tea BTW and not what Lynn teaches his students). He also stated that the clubhead only plane of motion was a necessity for complying with the true Angle of Approach Procedure. "Its a clubhead only plane of motion" said Homer. "A Vertical Plane " , "well almost vertical".
But ...... this is probably of little use to anyone except those trying to fully understand the GEOMETRY of the true Angle of Approach PROCEDURE. So far historically , there are probably only a handful of people in that group. Maybe less. Maybe only one, Homer himself. Ted Fort has used the "true" Angle of Approach Procedure in professional tournament play.
BTW it could be argued that everything has an "angle of approach" ... the Right Forearm, the right hip, the right knee , the left testaclese assuming you have one ... Lets not confuse the true Delivery Line of the ClubHEAD Angle of Approach Procedure with any other components "angle of approach", Right Forearm or or or .....Molson Muscle (beer belly).
Short version , if you''re swinging and using a lot of turning and letting things free wheel , unmanipulated so to speak, you are probably planing the LCOG , Sweetspot Plane and thats what we should assume when discussing this the most common of golf procedures. With a Right Forearm angle of approach in mind or a left side Primary Lever Flail action or whatever.
We can restrict the scope to the Impact Interval because Ball response depends on that.
The Lie Angle of the Club affects direction. If the Hands are too low, then the ball goes Left, if too high then the ball goes right. It's named "Swing Plane" because we will Swing the Club along this Plane.
So the Swing Plane is built-in to the club, and it's normally somewhere between the Shoulder and Elbow planes. Our job begins by aligning the ball, low point and the target to this plane. Low point and target are already reconciled. Just get the ball right.
Ben Hogan, in his book "Five Lessons" made an obvious mistake and he himself contradicted this illustration in numerous interviews and demonstrations.
Hands to shoulder, TSP, steeper angle, feels like I'm covering the ball with my shoulder -very powerful! It's amazing how different the feelings between that TSP swing and the Elbow Plane swing!
Hybrid Mode
