The Swinger's Right Arm (as sensed by Right Hand Pressure Points #1 and #3 via Right Elbow action / 6-C-2-C) is passive only in terms of Accelerating Thrust. It is not passive in terms of Extensor Action (right triceps supplying Non-Accelerating Thrust, i.e., Power Package Mass per 6-C-0 #2). Nor is it passive with respect to Clubhead Lag Pressure (2-C-0 #3). In these instances:
"Properly manipulated, Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate, including Extensor Action." [7-19]
In which case, perhaps Mr. Hogan should have wished for 100 -- or even 1,000 -- Right Hands.
Textbook answer and correct for a good 3 barrel swinger but the master ben hogan was better and found a way ( with his unique pivot ) to accelerate the right hand with the palmer extension/hand supinated combination in my opinion
Your explanation of "right hand power' makes more sense than any other explanation that I have seen proposed so far. I can readily understand the idea of the right triceps supplying non-accelerating thrust power to the bent right wrist through impact - especially with Hogan who had a very open pelvis at impact with his right elbow in front of his right hip and his right elbow still bent. I can envisage the right forearm powering through the impact zone against a bent right wrist (while continuously supplying extensor action).
What I cannot understand is the idea that Hogan powered his swing via a right hand uncocking phenomenon as proposed by Pistol, who claims that Hogan's right hand underwent a palmar extension/supination process through impact (right hand working under the left hand). The reason why I don't believe it comes from observation of Hogan's hand movements through impact (frontal view photos previously presented) and Hogan's own description in his book "Five Lessons". Here is a diagram from that book.
One can see that his left wrist is slightly arched at impact, and immediately thereafter Hogan describes the feeling of "supination" of the left hand, as can be seen in those diagrams. If the left hand is supinating post-impact as Hogan moves into his finish swivel action, then the right hand must be pronating over (not under) the left hand.
Jeff.
Last edited by Jeff : 05-25-2008 at 12:29 AM.
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I found these two "real life" action photos of Hogan in Leadbetter''s book "The Fundamentals of Hogan" and I think that they shed light on Pistol's claim that Hogan's right hand went under the left hand post-impact.
As Hogan nears impact, his left wrist/hand is flat and rotating to a position that will be flat, level and vertical at impact. However, after impact his left hand must first move left-backwards while remaining vertical to the ground (as a result of the horizontal hinging action) and then move into a supination swivel position as demonstrated in this photo. Obviously, the right hand must be pronating over the left hand when the left hand is undergoing its supination swivel action, and the process of pronation straightens the bent right wrist.
Jeff.
Last edited by Jeff : 05-25-2008 at 01:00 AM.
Reason: spelling
Your explanation of "right hand power' makes more sense than any other explanation that I have seen proposed so far. I can readily understand the idea of the right triceps supplying non-accelerating thrust power to the bent right wrist through impact - especially with Hogan who had a very open pelvis at impact with his right elbow in front of his right hip and his right elbow still bent. I can envisage the right forearm powering through the impact zone against a bent right wrist (while continuously supplying extensor action).
What I cannot understand is the idea that Hogan powered his swing via a right hand uncocking phenomenon as proposed by Pistol, who claims that Hogan's right hand underwent a palmar extension/supination process through impact (right hand working under the left hand). The reason why I don't believe it comes from observation of Hogan's hand movements through impact (frontal view photos previously presented) and Hogan's own description in his book "Five Lessons". Here is a diagram from that book.
One can see that his left wrist is slightly arched at impact, and immediately thereafter Hogan describes the feeling of "supination" of the left hand, as can be seen in those diagrams. If the left hand is supinating post-impact as Hogan moves into his finish swivel action, then the right hand must be pronating over (not under) the left hand.
Jeff.
just a book written for the ordinary golfer where most have a bent left wrist at impact Jeff and once again you are stating the obvious that the the right hand pronates over the left hand at the swivel stage due to momentum in the golfswing and the thruth is that if Hogan did what you are stating then his right wrist would not have the "uncocked" position immediately after the swivel and my statement of hogan's method of right hand acceleration late in downswing and impact does.You can go on about the medical terms if you like and i will be happy to oblige you with a debate on this as well.Of course it helps if you have the athletic coordination to pull these moves off.Your constant tirade of trying to disprove me is quite boring since you cannot explain the PHENOMENA in Hogan's swing
I found these two "real life" action photos of Hogan in Leadbetter''s book "The Fundamentals of Hogan" and I think that they shed light on Pistol's claim that Hogan's right hand went under the left hand post-impact.
Now the gloves are off that is a BLANTANT mirepresentation of what i actually wrote The right hand acceleration occurs prior to impact in that direction
Hogan really roll his arm alot in the backswing and then back to the throughswing.
I think the secret to his fade ,, is how the right arm is below the left. made evidently how the right elbow is on top of the backswing which made the club very laid back.. from that position.. nomatter how he swing left or go in to our
the result will be a light cut and a straight pull at worst.. because he whould leave the clubface pretty open no matter how hard he release.
Make any sense?
Just my 2 cents.
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