In this video he recommends that the golfer become a right arm swinger. Why does he recommend that a golfer become a right arm swinger? Where in his TGM book does he describe right arm swinging?
Thanks for the comment. His right arm swing commentary in 7-19 is limited to one paragraph. What do you think that he saw in that golfer's swing that would make him recommend that the golfer should become a right arm swinger? Do you have criteria for when a particular golfer should become a right arm swinger per 10-3-k with loosened wrists?
Jeff,
Before I briefly answer your question, let me say I really don't have a lot of desire to hash through golfing machine information in detail. Therefore, while you may have many, many additional questions- if so- someone else can jump in and answer them. 1) I certainly wouldn't want to ignore future questions without some explanation and 2) right arm swingers are few and far between and to me appear to be compensated procedures- so it's a very small world and although good to know the essential characteristics - not one to spend a lot of time on, in my opinion.
If you are a swinger you pull the club.
A right arm swinger would be primarily pulling with the right arm or musculature that supports the right arm acceleration.
A left arm swinger would be primarily pulling with the left arm or musculature that supports the left arm acceleration.
(Not that there wouldn't be a full body feel and many things pulling- but that would be the general distinction between the two. It certainly wouldn't mean that you would only feel the left arm swing ala Leslie King or only feel the right arm swinging.)
Now, If you are pulling with the right arm- then inherit in that action is that the "center" of the swing moves to the right elbow according to Homer Kelley (see 10-3-K 6th edition). Imagine the shaft primarily rotating around or oriented to the right elbow due to the physics involved. If pulling with the left - the "center" of rotaton is the left shoulder. Essentially imagine that the shaft rotates around the left hand and the left shoulder.
So for the golfer on the video- A) it's obvious to me that he is pulling i.e. swinging versus hitting and B) notice the "hang back" or the center of rotation around the right elbow. When I say "hang back" - I really mean that the right arm swing creates certain pivot and body motions that appear different than a "normal" left arm swinger- which kind of highlights the effects of the method through the resulting body motion. Less posting up on the left side etc.
It's not that he should become one so much, but more that he is a right arm swinger and he should "maybe" understand it so that he can be aware of his procedure so that he can be consistent with it and understand the pattern- what works with it and what works against it.
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Last edited by Mike O : 11-14-2008 at 01:06 AM.
Reason: would to wouldn't in 2nd paragraph
I can see what you are referring to - the "hanging back" appearance that is due to having the clubshaft swing center relating to the right elbow. However, if one saw a golfer with that pattern, why not simply teach him the standard pivot-drive swing (ala Hogan)?
Secondly, you refer to a left arm swing as being a swing where the i) clubshaft swing center is at the left shoulder and ii) the left sided torso musculature pulls the left arm away from pressure point #4. However, in the pivot-driven swing the left arm is catapulted away from the chest wall (pressure point #4) when the pivot subsides - ala Hogan. Do you categorize that type of swing as also being a left arm swing style?
This really shows that HK appreciated all golfing patterns (as long as aligned OK) irrespective of their individual components. G.O.L.F.
Bucket,
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Jeff,
Before I briefly answer your question, let me say I really don't have a lot of desire to hash through golfing machine information in detail. Therefore, while you may have many, many additional questions- if so- someone else can jump in and answer them. 1) I certainly wouldn't want to ignore future questions without some explanation and 2) right arm swingers are few and far between and to me appear to be compensated procedures- so it's a very small world and although good to know the essential characteristics - not one to spend a lot of time on, in my opinion.
If you are a swinger you pull the club.
A right arm swinger would be primarily pulling with the right arm or musculature that supports the right arm acceleration.
A left arm swinger would be primarily pulling with the left arm or musculature that supports the left arm acceleration.
(Not that there would be a full body feel and many things pulling- but that would be the general distinction between the two. It certainly wouldn't mean that you would only feel the left arm swing ala Leslie King or only feel the right arm swinging.)
Now, If you are pulling with the right arm- then inherit in that action is that the "center" of the swing moves to the right elbow according to Homer Kelley (see 10-3-K 6th edition). Imagine the shaft primarily rotating around or oriented to the right elbow due to the physics involved. If pulling with the left - the "center" of rotaton is the left shoulder. Essentially imagine that the shaft rotates around the left hand and the left shoulder.
So for the golfer on the video- A) it's obvious to me that he is pulling i.e. swinging versus hitting and B) notice the "hang back" or the center of rotation around the right elbow. When I say "hang back" - I really mean that the right arm swing creates certain pivot and body motions that appear different than a "normal" left arm swinger- which kind of highlights the effects of the method through the resulting body motion. Less posting up on the left side etc.
It's not that he should become one so much, but more that he is a right arm swinger and he should "maybe" understand it so that he can be aware of his procedure so that he can be consistent with it and understand the pattern- what works with it and what works against it.
Mike,
That's just one guy swinging with his right arm (how can you base your conclusions on the swinging action of one golfer)...Tomasello doesn't look like that when he swings with his right arm, and I don't either. Mark Evershed doesn't...Erie Els doesn't....Retief Goosen doesn't.....David Love III doesn't.
That's just one guy swinging with his right arm (how can you base your conclusions on the swinging action of one golfer)...Tomasello doesn't look like that when he swings with his right arm . . .
DG,
Aside from the fact that Mike O never referenced the late Tommy (Tomasello) in his post, I thought we had concluded a couple of years ago that Tommy was not a Right Arm Swinger. Nor was he a Hitter. Instead -- however explained -- he was a (Left Arm) Swinger integrating a sound Pivot with the Magic of the Right Forearm / Elbow Action.
That's just one guy swinging with his right arm (how can you base your conclusions on the swinging action of one golfer)...Tomasello doesn't look like that when he swings with his right arm, and I don't either. Mark Evershed doesn't...Erie Els doesn't....Retief Goosen doesn't.....David Love III doesn't.
DG
DG (Trademark use approved via PM - well maybe not),
I was just running with Homer's observation and I concluded that based on my observation that the player has transferred the center to the right elbow - hence that's how I would define a right arm swinger. In that strict definition, I would say that none of the players you listed are right arm swingers.
With that said, certainly my post could very easily be interpreted to read that a left arm swinger wouldn't or couldn't have some or a lot of right hand, arm, etc. involvement in the pulling process- which they certainly could. Therefore, if your point is that the players you mentioned may have felt or expoused pulling the club with their right arm- to any degree- I'm sure that's very possible but I would say that none of those players have transferred their center to the right elbow- therefore I wouldn't categorize them as a right arm swinger in the Golfing Machine world. Assuming that's your "issue" then I think it's a good point to make.
If after reading this you are upset with my use of your Trademark- you can contact my personal attorney - just realize that he is not board certified at this time- you can PM him from this forum- he goes by 12 Piece Bucket.
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