Can you point me to the section in the book where this is discussed?
There is no doubt that the Hinge Action is a product of the physics associated with the stroke being used, the elbow position, the Throw etc but Clubface Control is ideally left to the Pressure Points in the Hands, no?
I can...
Zip between the 6th and 7th Editions and you can pretty much make up anything you want as far as hinge action being in #2 or #3.
Kevin
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Zip between the 6th and 7th Editions and you can pretty much make up anything you want as far as hinge action being in #2 or #3.
Kevin
Hmm? A Skeptic.
Homers Notes:
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Hand Action controls Hinge Action. Rhythm is the basis of Hinge Action.
It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
He does not mean Hand Action intentionally executed during Impact (Hacking like Kevin). He means the Hand Action you bring into Impact derived from Elbow Location which determines release motions.
So,where you should feel the Hinge depends on Hitting or Swinging.
We don't need the books to know that Hitters using Angle Hinging have a Right Hand Paddle wheel Motion; no independent Hand Motion through the Ball. With Zero Hand Action (no Roll), feel the Primary Lever in Rhythm while being Driven to, through and after Low-Point. Swingers, Swivel the Hands (Secondary Lever) into the Hinge - and Feel the Hinge in the Hands.
Homers Notes:
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Differences in Hinge feel -- Horizontal -- roll, Angled -- no roll, Vertical -- reverse roll. Wrist Action -- happens prior to Release. Hinge Action -- happens during Impact. Swivel Action -- happens between the two.
Let me try this a different way. The Left Wrist Throw 10-20-E must be Active, it being named a "Throw". It feels like a whole left arm Throw to me but from the wrist.
An Active uncocking of the left Wrist and therefor an Active Lever Extension as well as an On Plane (assuming the left hand is turned to plane) swing Force.
Does this sound right to you Drew? Whatever it is it works for a Swinger.
The term Throw covers both that which "throws" and that which is "thrown".
Drag Loading Loads the Secondary Lever Assembly (Clubshaft only) by way of the Left Wrist through pressure Point #2. This does not result in an active drive of the clubshaft because Centrifugal Force alone powers the club. The clubshaft being pulled lengthwise toward the Plane Lines sets up a Centrifugal chain reaction that pulls the Clubhead into its In Line condition of Full Extension.
Reference 2-P last paragraph,7-1 paragraph 2
Left Wrist motion is ClubHead control. I would be concerned that you reach Full Uncocked and Full Extension too soon (prior to Impact) and Acceleration cease and Momentum only is available to drive the club. Centrifugal Force doesn't like to be overpowered. It is your friend if you want to use it.
It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
He does not mean Hand Action intentionally executed during Impact (Hacking like Kevin). He means the Hand Action you bring into Impact derived from Elbow Location which determines release motions.
So,where you should feel the Hinge depends on Hitting or Swinging.
We don't need the books to know that Hitters using Angle Hinging have a Right Hand Paddle wheel Motion; no independent Hand Motion through the Ball. With Zero Hand Action (no Roll), feel the Primary Lever in Rhythm while being Driven to, through and after Low-Point. Swingers, Swivel the Hands (Secondary Lever) into the Hinge - and Feel the Hinge in the Hands.
Homers Notes:
Daryl,
I apologize, no disrespect intended. My post was not a shot at you or your post, it was merely a commentary on the 7th Edition. I honestly have not decided what to think of your idea of seperating the two. Still a little too advanced for me, my incubator is in overdrive...
Kevin
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I apologize, no disrespect intended. My post was not a shot at you or your post, it was merely a commentary on the 7th Edition. I honestly have not decided what to think of your idea of seperating the two. Still a little too advanced for me, my incubator is in overdrive...
Kevin
No, no,. It's not anything you say. We're all friends here. I'm just having fun jousting. I wouldn't believe anything I say either. I don't know why my sense of humor doesn't come through.
This stuff is very difficult to understand. It's no wonder so many give up and invent more palatable methods, like "S&T" or "Swing-a-thing" or that Golf Guru Goof-ball who, back in the 80's - 90's developed a system based on your body weight and build. No one questions those people.
No, no,. It's not anything you say. I'm just having fun jousting. I wouldn't believe anything I say either.
Don't believe anything Bucket says - ever. Nor Ted.
Question everything. If you don't understand it, then don't believe it.
Thanks man, but you have a great big jousting stick, and I would be coming at you with a butter knife, a plastic one like you would find in the airports so I couldn't hijack the plane.
Kevin
oooh, don't take the big jousting stick comment the wrong way either.
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
The term Throw covers both that which "throws" and that which is "thrown".
Drag Loading Loads the Secondary Lever Assembly (Clubshaft only) by way of the Left Wrist through pressure Point #2. This does not result in an active drive of the clubshaft because Centrifugal Force alone powers the club. The clubshaft being pulled lengthwise toward the Plane Lines sets up a Centrifugal chain reaction that pulls the Clubhead into its In Line condition of Full Extension.
Reference 2-P last paragraph,7-1 paragraph 2
Left Wrist motion is ClubHead control. I would be concerned that you reach Full Uncocked and Full Extension too soon (prior to Impact) and Acceleration cease and Momentum only is available to drive the club. Centrifugal Force doesn't like to be overpowered. It is your friend if you want to use it.
Thanks Drew.
I get this from a pure swinging, pure CF point of view. But what about Lynn's video, he was describing a swinging procedure and an active uncocking of the left wrist was he not? Or do I have it all wrong? An active uncocking as a drill only and a CF produced uncocking while actually taking a shot perhaps? A sort of Vertical hand motion drill that I have misinterpreted?
The latter, an active uncocking of the Left Wrist when its turned to the Plane in Downstroke. This is not to say that CF isnt employed it is, this is additive. I got this from this video right here on the world wide web.
I hit a lot of balls with just my right arm on the club. My left couldnt do anything on its own until the day I employed Lynns hammering with a left arm only swing. And blammo. I used to pull the left arm and it didnt work worth a hill of beans one armed. But actively uncocking #2 puts some sting on the thing one armed or two.
I had thought it to be a 10-20-E Wrist Throw. Release Trigger. But Homer doesnt mention the active uncocking that Lynn demonstrates in my 6th anyways. Otherwise it sure sounds like it.
The Left Wrist Throw Trigger (10-20-E) can be either Automatic or Non-Automatic ("active" in your terminology). This is true for both Sweep Releases (10-24-B/C) and Snap Releases (10-24-D/E). Study 7-24.
Non-Automatic Releases are triggered by deliberate mechanical manipulation. In other words, the player consciously ("actively") initiates the action. In contrast, the Automatic Releases are triggered by driving the Hands through the selected Release Point (10-24-0) -- normally via the Aiming Point procedure (6-E-2) -- as if there was to be no Release at all (10-24-E).
So, the difference between the two is that there is no "starting to hit" (6-H-0/B) when using an Automatic Release (Sweep or Snap).
For a Swinger, Hinge Action should be viewed as Zone 3.
For Hitting, Hinge Action should be viewed as Zone 2.
The term Ball Control is one of the four interchangeable terms use to characterize Zone 3.
Further, Chapter 9-0 from the 4th edition on (including the 7th) specifically states that Hinge Action and its resulting Clubface Motion -- Close Only; Layback Only; or, Simultaneous Closing and Layback -- IS Ball Control.
Finally, just in case we missed it, Homer Kelley also labeled Hinge Action in the large, bold, capitalized and italicized subtitle of the Hinge Action Variations (10-10-A/E) -- again, from the 4th edition to the 7th -- as BALL CONTROL.
Thus, for almost forty years and through six meticulously-edited editions, Zone 3/Ball Control was Hinge Action's happy domicile.
The posthumous placement of the Hinge Action component into Zone 2 (by the owner and editor of the 7th edition) introduces a serious inconsistency into a great work. And a 'dual placement' suggestion serves only to muddy the waters further.
It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
In the first six editions, Homer Kelley placed Hinge Action in Zone 3 (Ball Control: Hands/Direction/Purpose). During his lifetime, it was always there. Twenty-three years after Homer's death, it was Joe Daniels, the owner of TGM and the sole editor of the 7th edition, who moved Hinge Action to Zone 2 (Club Control: Arms/Force/Power).
His justification was that the migration was Homer's intent. Well, perhaps it was. I wrote a post (shortly after publication of the 7th edition) that explained how such a dramatic shift in Zones could be justified for Horizontal and Angled Hinging (but not for Vertical Hinging). But, as I stated then, even that argument was a stretch, because Zone 3 was (and is) the "Hands Lane" wherein "the alignment of the Clubface through Impact" is a critical component.
And should we really kick the Flat Left Wrist and its Clubface Control (1-L/C per 1-L #3 and 7-10) out of the Hands Zone? Adding to the confusion is this new line in the 7th edition's introduction to Zone 2 (9-2): "Zone #2 is the Clubhead and NOT the Clubface (Zone #3) activity." [All emphasis Homer's.]
Obviously, whether Homer intended to make the change or not, such a seismic shift in one of TGM's three major concepts required that much conflicting text be revised. But, Homer didn't make those very necessary and painfully obvious revisions, and he was a fanatic when it came to the 'ripple effect' of a proposed change (which, to my mind, signaled his true intention). Unfortunately -- or fortunately, take your pick -- neither did Joe.
So, what to do?
Simple . . .
If you've got the first six editions, do nothing.
If you've got the 7th, go to 9-2 (page 125), take a pen and line through "#10 Hinge Action" as a listed Zone #2 Component. Then, go to 9-3 (page 131) and add that same Component to Zone #3.
There now, don't you feel better? Humpty Dumpty is all back together again: Six Components in Zone #1; twelve Components in Zone #2; and six Components in Zone #3. All with no conflicting concepts or text to worry about.
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