Can you point me to the section in the book where this is discussed?
There is no doubt that the Hinge Action is a product of the physics associated with the stroke being used, the elbow position, the Throw etc but Clubface Control is ideally left to the Pressure Points in the Hands, no?
I can...
Zip between the 6th and 7th Editions and you can pretty much make up anything you want as far as hinge action being in #2 or #3.
Kevin
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Zip between the 6th and 7th Editions and you can pretty much make up anything you want as far as hinge action being in #2 or #3.
Kevin
Hmm? A Skeptic.
Homers Notes:
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Hand Action controls Hinge Action. Rhythm is the basis of Hinge Action.
It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
He does not mean Hand Action intentionally executed during Impact (Hacking like Kevin). He means the Hand Action you bring into Impact derived from Elbow Location which determines release motions.
So,where you should feel the Hinge depends on Hitting or Swinging.
We don't need the books to know that Hitters using Angle Hinging have a Right Hand Paddle wheel Motion; no independent Hand Motion through the Ball. With Zero Hand Action (no Roll), feel the Primary Lever in Rhythm while being Driven to, through and after Low-Point. Swingers, Swivel the Hands (Secondary Lever) into the Hinge - and Feel the Hinge in the Hands.
Homers Notes:
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Differences in Hinge feel -- Horizontal -- roll, Angled -- no roll, Vertical -- reverse roll. Wrist Action -- happens prior to Release. Hinge Action -- happens during Impact. Swivel Action -- happens between the two.
It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
He does not mean Hand Action intentionally executed during Impact (Hacking like Kevin). He means the Hand Action you bring into Impact derived from Elbow Location which determines release motions.
So,where you should feel the Hinge depends on Hitting or Swinging.
We don't need the books to know that Hitters using Angle Hinging have a Right Hand Paddle wheel Motion; no independent Hand Motion through the Ball. With Zero Hand Action (no Roll), feel the Primary Lever in Rhythm while being Driven to, through and after Low-Point. Swingers, Swivel the Hands (Secondary Lever) into the Hinge - and Feel the Hinge in the Hands.
Homers Notes:
Daryl,
I apologize, no disrespect intended. My post was not a shot at you or your post, it was merely a commentary on the 7th Edition. I honestly have not decided what to think of your idea of seperating the two. Still a little too advanced for me, my incubator is in overdrive...
Kevin
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I apologize, no disrespect intended. My post was not a shot at you or your post, it was merely a commentary on the 7th Edition. I honestly have not decided what to think of your idea of seperating the two. Still a little too advanced for me, my incubator is in overdrive...
Kevin
No, no,. It's not anything you say. We're all friends here. I'm just having fun jousting. I wouldn't believe anything I say either. I don't know why my sense of humor doesn't come through.
This stuff is very difficult to understand. It's no wonder so many give up and invent more palatable methods, like "S&T" or "Swing-a-thing" or that Golf Guru Goof-ball who, back in the 80's - 90's developed a system based on your body weight and build. No one questions those people.
No, no,. It's not anything you say. I'm just having fun jousting. I wouldn't believe anything I say either.
Don't believe anything Bucket says - ever. Nor Ted.
Question everything. If you don't understand it, then don't believe it.
Thanks man, but you have a great big jousting stick, and I would be coming at you with a butter knife, a plastic one like you would find in the airports so I couldn't hijack the plane.
Kevin
oooh, don't take the big jousting stick comment the wrong way either.
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It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
In the first six editions, Homer Kelley placed Hinge Action in Zone 3 (Ball Control: Hands/Direction/Purpose). During his lifetime, it was always there. Twenty-three years after Homer's death, it was Joe Daniels, the owner of TGM and the sole editor of the 7th edition, who moved Hinge Action to Zone 2 (Club Control: Arms/Force/Power).
His justification was that the migration was Homer's intent. Well, perhaps it was. I wrote a post (shortly after publication of the 7th edition) that explained how such a dramatic shift in Zones could be justified for Horizontal and Angled Hinging (but not for Vertical Hinging). But, as I stated then, even that argument was a stretch, because Zone 3 was (and is) the "Hands Lane" wherein "the alignment of the Clubface through Impact" is a critical component.
And should we really kick the Flat Left Wrist and its Clubface Control (1-L/C per 1-L #3 and 7-10) out of the Hands Zone? Adding to the confusion is this new line in the 7th edition's introduction to Zone 2 (9-2): "Zone #2 is the Clubhead and NOT the Clubface (Zone #3) activity." [All emphasis Homer's.]
Obviously, whether Homer intended to make the change or not, such a seismic shift in one of TGM's three major concepts required that much conflicting text be revised. But, Homer didn't make those very necessary and painfully obvious revisions, and he was a fanatic when it came to the 'ripple effect' of a proposed change (which, to my mind, signaled his true intention). Unfortunately -- or fortunately, take your pick -- neither did Joe.
So, what to do?
Simple . . .
If you've got the first six editions, do nothing.
If you've got the 7th, go to 9-2 (page 125), take a pen and line through "#10 Hinge Action" as a listed Zone #2 Component. Then, go to 9-3 (page 131) and add that same Component to Zone #3.
There now, don't you feel better? Humpty Dumpty is all back together again: Six Components in Zone #1; twelve Components in Zone #2; and six Components in Zone #3. All with no conflicting concepts or text to worry about.
Twenty-three years after Homer's death, it was Joe Daniels, the owner of TGM and the sole editor of the 7th edition, who moved Hinge Action to Zone 2 (Club Control: Arms/Force/Power).
His justification was that the migration was Homer's intent.
I had a lengthy conversation with Joe a few years ago and pointed out the numerous errors and omissions in the seventh edition. When I asked him why Hinge Action was moved to Zone 2, Joe replied, "because that is what Homer wrote. All changes in the seventh were verbatim from Homer's notes." When I pressed him on were the notes complete. He again said, " the changes were put in as Homer left them". In other words, we will never know the complete answer. But we do know that Mr. Kelley passed way unexpectedly and at the time had not sent his notes to be published into a 7th edition. Draw your own conclusion.
Left Wrist Feel Determines Hinge Action -- Or Vice Versa
Originally Posted by Daryl
So,where you should feel the Hinge depends on Hitting or Swinging.
We don't need the books to know that Hitters using Angle Hinging have a Right Hand Paddle wheel Motion; no independent Hand Motion through the Ball. With Zero Hand Action (no Roll), feel the Primary Lever in Rhythm while being Driven to, through and after Low-Point. Swingers, Swivel the Hands (Secondary Lever) into the Hinge - and Feel the Hinge in the Hands.
Both Hitter and Swinger use Educated Hands to sense and manipulate their respective Hinge Actions (Clubface Control) and Rhythm (in-line #3 Accumulator Clubhead Travel per 2-G).
Specifically, each learns to control the alignment of the Clubface (1-L #4) and the Rhythm of the orbiting Lever Assemblies (1-L #8 ) through the Feel of Roll, No Roll or Reverse Roll.
They accomplish this artform by maintaining the Flat Left Wrist vertical to one of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical) through Impact.
Both Hitter and Swinger use Educated Hands to sense and manipulate their respective Hinge Actions (Clubface Control) and Rhythm (in-line #3 Accumulator Clubhead Travel per 2-G).
Specifically, each learns to control the alignment of the Clubface (1-L #4) and the Rhythm of the orbiting Lever Assemblies (1-L #8 ) through the Feel of Roll, No Roll or Reverse Roll.
They accomplish this artform by maintaining the Flat Left Wrist vertical to one of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical) through Impact.
Yes, yes, yes. I understand. It's upsetting to loose sight of such a simple concept and misquote the book. I'll never be the same.
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