Pistol - you wrote-: "Funny how you can't manage to capture that part of his swing which is clearly evident in a lot of his post accident swings. Why? Simply because it would destroy your theory if you put it up on the forum then you would have come up with another excuse or another lame theory."
I couldn't capture a number of single frames in the immediate post-impact zone because there were none there - because all the DTL film/videos had too slow a frame/second speed (compared to the FO slo-mo movie I had of Hogan).
Your claim that I deliberately didn't produce those frames because it would destroy my theory is an unjustified insult to my neutral/scientific attitude with respect to my "goal of fully understanding the golf swing". I will no longer interact with you, and you are free to believe whatever you like.
Pistol - you wrote-: "Funny how you can't manage to capture that part of his swing which is clearly evident in a lot of his post accident swings. Why? Simply because it would destroy your theory if you put it up on the forum then you would have come up with another excuse or another lame theory."
I couldn't capture a number of single frames in the immediate post-impact zone because there were none there - because all the DTL film/videos had too slow a frame/second speed (compared to the FO slo-mo movie I had of Hogan).
Your claim that I deliberately didn't produce those frames because it would destroy my theory is an unjustified insult to my neutral/scientific attitude with respect to my "goal of fully understanding the golf swing". I will no longer interact with you, and you are free to believe whatever you like.
Jeff.
Here you are running around on all golf forums putting up your pictures and now you expect me to believe you can't put up the evidence that Hogan was not a pure swinger.All you have is one face on footage to prove your theory that hogan was just a 3 barrel swinger which you go on about in Other Forums.How do you expect to fully understand what Hogan did ? How can anyone unless they can swing just like him and i leave you with this simple thruth Hogan said 3 RIGHT HANDS nothing else Not 3 Forearms Not 3 right index fingers Not 3 right sides
Pure swingers don't want 3 right hands either so that would be 3 different planets
Originally Posted by hg
Why would Mr. Hogan want 3 right hands?
The Swinger's Right Arm (as sensed by Right Hand Pressure Points #1 and #3 via Right Elbow action / 6-C-2-C) is passive only in terms of Accelerating Thrust. It is not passive in terms of Extensor Action (right triceps supplying Non-Accelerating Thrust, i.e., Power Package Mass per 6-C-0 #2). Nor is it passive with respect to Clubhead Lag Pressure (2-C-0 #3). In these instances:
"Properly manipulated, Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate, including Extensor Action." [7-19]
In which case, perhaps Mr. Hogan should have wished for 100 -- or even 1,000 -- Right Hands.
Also.. when the wrist uncocks on plane ,, and the pp 3 traces down and out.. That would need some participation of either the Pivot CF ing out or the right arm right?
I saw the very slow swing performed by Hogan Home video.. especially at the impact position.. I think It gave me alot of clues ..
1. I saw a little uncocking of left wrist and unbending of the right wrists..
2. I saw he deliberately speed up his right during extention. So is that active or passive?
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The Swinger's Right Arm (as sensed by Right Hand Pressure Points #1 and #3 via Right Elbow action / 6-C-2-C) is passive only in terms of Accelerating Thrust. It is not passive in terms of Extensor Action (right triceps supplying Non-Accelerating Thrust, i.e., Power Package Mass per 6-C-0 #2). Nor is it passive with respect to Clubhead Lag Pressure (2-C-0 #3). In these instances:
"Properly manipulated, Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate, including Extensor Action." [7-19]
In which case, perhaps Mr. Hogan should have wished for 100 -- or even 1,000 -- Right Hands.
Textbook answer and correct for a good 3 barrel swinger but the master ben hogan was better and found a way ( with his unique pivot ) to accelerate the right hand with the palmer extension/hand supinated combination in my opinion
Your explanation of "right hand power' makes more sense than any other explanation that I have seen proposed so far. I can readily understand the idea of the right triceps supplying non-accelerating thrust power to the bent right wrist through impact - especially with Hogan who had a very open pelvis at impact with his right elbow in front of his right hip and his right elbow still bent. I can envisage the right forearm powering through the impact zone against a bent right wrist (while continuously supplying extensor action).
What I cannot understand is the idea that Hogan powered his swing via a right hand uncocking phenomenon as proposed by Pistol, who claims that Hogan's right hand underwent a palmar extension/supination process through impact (right hand working under the left hand). The reason why I don't believe it comes from observation of Hogan's hand movements through impact (frontal view photos previously presented) and Hogan's own description in his book "Five Lessons". Here is a diagram from that book.
One can see that his left wrist is slightly arched at impact, and immediately thereafter Hogan describes the feeling of "supination" of the left hand, as can be seen in those diagrams. If the left hand is supinating post-impact as Hogan moves into his finish swivel action, then the right hand must be pronating over (not under) the left hand.
Jeff.
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