impact on TSP

[O.B.Left]

Yup, except the Right Elbow is not on the Shaft Plane and therefor neither is the Right Forearm. So no Right Forearm Flying Wedge structure there and since the Right Forearm is not pointing at the Base Line/Plane Line, the ability to Trace the Plane Line is severely handicapped.

[KevCarter]

Yup, except the Right Elbow is not on the Shaft Plane and therefor neither is the Right Forearm. So no Right Forearm Flying Wedge structure there and since the Right Forearm is not pointing at the Base Line/Plane Line, the ability to Trace the Plane Line is severely handicapped.

OB,

I see exactly wat you are saying. However, I think it's kind of like studying the pictures of Diane in the book. Look only at the point Mr. Kelly, or Daryl in this case, is trying to make without paying attention to positions that are not relevant to the point... That being said, I'll bet Daryl could incorporate what you are saying into a new pic?

I appreciate your work Daryl!

Kevin

[O.B.Left]

OB,

I see exactly wat you are saying. However, I think it's kind of like studying the pictures of Diane in the book. Look only at the point Mr. Kelly, or Daryl in this case, is trying to make without paying attention to positions that are not relevant to the point... That being said, I'll bet Daryl could incorporate what you are saying into a new pic?

I appreciate your work Daryl!

Kevin

I know what you mean Kev, I dont want come off as being "nit picky" or anything but then D should remove the type saying "Elbow Plane" and re name it the "Shaft Plane" cause it isnt an Elbow Plane.

And then that isnt Diane or Hogan or Brian Gay then at Address or at Impact either and all Alignments are derived from Impact Alignments after all. The RFFW and the On Plane Right Elbow being Impact Alignments make them relevant to the discussion of any Alignment! No?

[KevCarter]

I know what you mean Kev, I dont want come off as being "nit picky" or anything but then D should remove the type saying "Elbow Plane" and re name it the "Shaft Plane" cause it isnt an Elbow Plane.

And then that isnt Diane or Hogan or Brian Gay then at Address or at Impact either and all Alignments are derived from Impact Alignments after all. The RFFW and the On Plane Right Elbow being Impact Alignments make them relevant to the discussion of any Alignment! No?

Agreed OB. I typed that in a hurry as I was running late for work. As soon as I hit send I knew it was a terribly worded response and didn't come across as what I was trying to convey.

I believe in the right forearm being on plane and it's magic 100%!

No offense my friend.

Kevin

[O.B.Left]

Agreed OB. I typed that in a hurry as I was running late for work. As soon as I hit send I knew it was a terribly worded response and didn't come across as what I was trying to convey.

I believe in the right forearm being on plane and it's magic 100%!

No offense my friend.

Kevin

No offense taken Kev. We're good man, but who are other nut bars on this thread?

You know, Rigid Power Package Dude and 90 degrees to the axis of Rotation Man.

[Daryl]

Yup, except the Right Elbow is not on the Shaft Plane and therefor neither is the Right Forearm. So no Right Forearm Flying Wedge structure there and since the Right Forearm is not pointing at the Base Line/Plane Line, the ability to Trace the Plane Line is severely handicapped.

OB, It's obvious that the Right Shoulder Cannot Reach the Elbow Plane. It's also obvious that the Shaft Plane passes through a Point on the Body where the Right Elbow would touch. That Point is a Reference Point for one of the Plane Angle Variations in TGM. It's called the Elbow Plane.

The problem is with the Book, not my analysis. The Book depicts the Elbow Plane as a Plane the Elbow Traces, not the Hands. That alone makes this Plane different and odd in comparison to any other Plane Angle Variation in the Book. In other words, the Elbow rests on the Plane Throughout the Stroke. The Hands and Clubshaft are raised above this plane during the Backstroke and must be Lowered to the Plane during the Downstroke. This is not a Rigid Power Package Stroke as outline and discussed in Chapter 6. So, if one is using the Elbow Plane, one must bend the Right Elbow to Raise the Club during the Backstroke and Unbend the Right Elbow during the Downstroke. It results in a CONCAVE Plane (ala-Ben Doyle). It's not Anti-Golfing Machine if one merely regards TGM as an explanation of the Golf Swing. But the Nature of this "Flexible" Power Package is not compatible with The Magic of the Right Forearm, Extensor Action, etc, etc. Any explanation of Hogans Stroke as far as concerns TGM, should include this kind of Elbow-Plane - Power Package analysis.

Sooooo, needless to say, an Elbow Plane swing is Pivot Controlled Hands and the #3 PP cannot trace the Plane-line. Body Angles must be adjusted for Clubhead - Ball intersection.

ANYONE-EVERYONE who bends and unbends the Right Elbow from Start-up to Release will be Swinging on the Elbow Plane.